Dang. My new, softer saddle chafed the ol *** last weekend...
09-20-06, 03:16 PM
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Dang. My new, softer saddle chafed the ol *** last weekend...
I switched to a poor man's Fizik alliante, a Vitesse that on got on sale for $30.00 because it was a display model.
I liked the contour and the softness off the bat compared to my superlight Selle Italia SLR, but at the end of a 2 hour TT, I would up having soreness and minor chafing in the ol, taint region afterwards.
Does softer saddle cause this because you arse "sinks in" more? I'm going back to the rock saddle in the meantime. Input appreciated!
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I liked the contour and the softness off the bat compared to my superlight Selle Italia SLR, but at the end of a 2 hour TT, I would up having soreness and minor chafing in the ol, taint region afterwards.
Does softer saddle cause this because you arse "sinks in" more? I'm going back to the rock saddle in the meantime. Input appreciated!
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09-20-06, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich_W
The Vitesse is a women-specific design.
ok... now that i've gotten that out of my system - damn that was funny - let me actually try and answer the OPs question.
there's a reason why the pros use special saddles that we can't buy - the ones that we use are too soft.
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Softer "in the case of a seat" is not better. On longer rides, a nice squishy seat is going to cause chaffing and rubbing.
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You've been a member since March, 2005 and you don't know that softer seat = more discomfort?
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Originally Posted by Rich_W
The Vitesse is a women-specific design.
I am such a
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Originally Posted by GuitarWizard
You've been a member since March, 2005 and you don't know that softer seat = more discomfort?
Lounge chairs are more comfy than metal bleacher seats at high school football games
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Hey, Sin - been a while since I've been back here.
Two reasons firmer is better:
1) On a lounge chair, you're arse and thighs aren't constantly in motion (rub, rub, chafe, chafe...)
2) On the saddle, your weight is essentially supported by your sit bones, padded by fat and muscle.
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Two reasons firmer is better:
1) On a lounge chair, you're arse and thighs aren't constantly in motion (rub, rub, chafe, chafe...)
2) On the saddle, your weight is essentially supported by your sit bones, padded by fat and muscle.
Regards,
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soft/squishy seat is always worse for you... I have no idea why, but the same applies to motorcycling. If you have a nice firm seat you'll do better than a softer one.
since switching to a harder saddle on my bike, i've noticed a distinct advantage vs. the softer saddle.
since switching to a harder saddle on my bike, i've noticed a distinct advantage vs. the softer saddle.
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Originally Posted by clutchy
soft/squishy seat is always worse for you... I have no idea why, but the same applies to motorcycling. If you have a nice firm seat you'll do better than a softer one.
since switching to a harder saddle on my bike, i've noticed a distinct advantage vs. the softer saddle.
since switching to a harder saddle on my bike, i've noticed a distinct advantage vs. the softer saddle.
Damn. That is so weird.
I feel like getting one of those 69g AX Lightness carbon saddles now...
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Yes. I know it sounds totally counter intuitive, but sitting on sharp razor blades really is more comfortable.
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I have a SLR Carbonio Kit and 2 SLR XP's, each of which replaced a Fizik Arione. I find the firm support of the sit bones more comfortable than a softer saddle.
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09-21-06, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DocRay
I can buy a Flite, Arione, Slr...etc.
According to a retired euro-pro, who trains with a buddy of mine, the Pros use saddles that are harder, to prevent flex/bounce.
Considering the amount of time/kms they ride, it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by timwat
Hey, Sin - been a while since I've been back here.
Two reasons firmer is better:
1) On a lounge chair, you're arse and thighs aren't constantly in motion (rub, rub, chafe, chafe...)
Regards,
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Two reasons firmer is better:
1) On a lounge chair, you're arse and thighs aren't constantly in motion (rub, rub, chafe, chafe...)
Regards,
Tim
That depends on how my team is doing. Lately, my arse and thighs have been squirming around a lot...
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Originally Posted by botto
And you can buy a Discovery shirt & bibs, or a Trek Madone at your LBS, but that's not saying they're the same that Discovery riders use.
According to a retired euro-pro, who trains with a buddy of mine, the Pros use saddles that are harder, to prevent flex/bounce.
Considering the amount of time/kms they ride, it makes sense.
According to a retired euro-pro, who trains with a buddy of mine, the Pros use saddles that are harder, to prevent flex/bounce.
Considering the amount of time/kms they ride, it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
I have a Fizik Arione. It came off the bike of a highly placed Italian professional (someone you have heard of) sent to me by a friend who works with the guy...I have another that's one that came with a "stock" retail bike. Other than the cover (one was a custom cover), the saddle's identical.
fwiw - the team he's involved with does not ride fizik
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If harder is better, then how come after 20 miles my butt is numb on my Specialized Avatar. Is it a bad seat or do I just have to build my tolerance to it?
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Originally Posted by LeeAbe
If harder is better, then how come after 20 miles my butt is numb on my Specialized Avatar. Is it a bad seat or do I just have to build my tolerance to it?
i have the avatar too and it's great!
but yes, i did have to build a slight tolerance to it. It also helps to shift around on the bike slightly from time to time. You'll get used to it just make sure your sit bones are in the right place.
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Wow 2 hrs on the aerobars / rivit. I doubt there's a seat out there to help take the impact off perinium. Fizik makes Arione Tri and Terry makes Tri gel which I have. Ironically both tri seats have a thicker SOFTER nose area. But hey, what do the manufacturers know about making seats.
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In my experience the hardest, smallest saddles are the most comfortable. I use small racing saddles on all my bikes.
