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Old 09-18-20, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by big john
I broke the front shifter cable about 25 miles into a ride, had to ride back in the small ring. I put on an old one I had at home as a temporary fix until the new cables came in. That has to be more than a year ago and the new cables are still sitting on my toolbox.

Twice the rear one frayed and strands started poking me in the hand. It felt like a bee was stinging me when I gripped the hood to stand.
With my Shimano bikes the rear shifting gets all wonky when the cable frays.
Once we were out in the mountains and a guy broke his rear cable so he was stuck in the small cog, not ideal for climbing out of there. I pulled the cable from the shifter end until it was in the second biggest cog and tied it in a knot around the cable stop. He was able to climb like that.
I'm wary of letting derailleur cables get too old after the time I broke a rear cable on a ride in the pre-cell phone days. I was about 8 miles from home, and no pay phones en route, so I ended up using my chain tool to break the chain and re-make the drive train as a single-speed with small ring and mid-cassette cog.

Since then, none of the cables I've replaced has been frayed, so while I'm not getting all the use out of them that I might, I'm also less likely to find myself in an "Aw, crap, the cable broke!" situation.
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Old 09-18-20, 02:20 PM
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Huh - that vid used to be blocked. Not the case any more, I guess.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Huh - that vid used to be blocked. Not the case any more, I guess.
Really? Are the pump girls NSFW?!?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I'm wary of letting derailleur cables get too old after the time I broke a rear cable on a ride in the pre-cell phone days. I was about 8 miles from home, and no pay phones en route, so I ended up using my chain tool to break the chain and re-make the drive train as a single-speed with small ring and mid-cassette cog.

Since then, none of the cables I've replaced has been frayed, so while I'm not getting all the use out of them that I might, I'm also less likely to find myself in an "Aw, crap, the cable broke!" situation.
I used to get cables swapped every year and be more than fine (along with a general overhaul) I might need to reevaluate that with my new riding habits. Hrm.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Really? Are the pump girls NSFW?!?
No, I think that it was just bandwidth and annoyance over it getting posted so frequently. It's been a good handful of years, though, and I doubt that most that have joined the forum in the last 5 or 6 years would have even caught the reference.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
I used to get cables swapped every year and be more than fine (along with a general overhaul) I might need to reevaluate that with my new riding habits. Hrm.
See, with 4 bikes, cables last 4 times as long! Then again, yearly changes are 4 times as expensive...
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Originally Posted by genejockey
See, with 4 bikes, cables last 4 times as long! Then again, yearly changes are 4 times as expensive...
Or just suck it up and get Di2. If I knew what the new DA would look like it would be easier.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Or just suck it up and get Di2. If I knew what the new DA would look like it would be easier.
Don't hold your breath, little runner boy. It may not be out to the pros until 2021 and the masses 2022.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Don't hold your breath, little runner boy. It may not be out to the pros until 2021 and the masses 2022.
Pretty sure I weigh more than you...

And I know. Which sucks; it would at least be nice to know about wiring so I don’t get the wrong drilling. Which leads me back to 7020.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Or just suck it up and get Di2. If I knew what the new DA would look like it would be easier.
Yeah, or that. Then you have to remember to charge it....
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Pretty sure I weigh more than you...

And I know. Which sucks; it would at least be nice to know about wiring so I don’t get the wrong drilling. Which leads me back to 7020.
Set up of the 7000 series FD is persnickety, and I'm not sure why it has to be such a chore. All it needs to do is move the chain from big to small and back again, and not make grinding noises in between. I'm currently running 25 year old 7400 FD with 7800 STIs, on a 7410 crankset, and it moves the chain silently and instantly from big to small and back, and doesn't grind even without trimming. So, why does there have to be a VIDEO on setting up the 7000 FD?

Apart from that, once set up, I really love the 7020 groupset on the Canyon. It's ALMOST as nice as my multi-generation Dura Ace on the Ritchey, but with much better brakes. And more and wider gears.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I'm wary of letting derailleur cables get too old after the time I broke a rear cable on a ride in the pre-cell phone days. I was about 8 miles from home, and no pay phones en route, so I ended up using my chain tool to break the chain and re-make the drive train as a single-speed with small ring and mid-cassette cog.

Since then, none of the cables I've replaced has been frayed, so while I'm not getting all the use out of them that I might, I'm also less likely to find myself in an "Aw, crap, the cable broke!" situation.
Yeah, I'm pretty bad at maintaining my machines. I used to be pretty good about it. I think working on tens of thousands of cars kinda cured me. I let my last car go several years without an oil change or any maintenance unless something broke.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Set up of the 7000 series FD is persnickety, and I'm not sure why it has to be such a chore.
I don't think that, at all. I think that the new design takes a lot of the persnickety out of setting up and tuning the FD. I mean, I have to reference a manual because it's different from the older designs and it's not something that I do frequently, but I think that there was an art to it previously and now it's a series of easier, less ambiguous steps.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I don't think that, at all. I think that the new design takes a lot of the persnickety out of setting up and tuning the FD. I mean, I have to reference a manual because it's different from the older designs and it's not something that I do frequently, but I think that there was an art to it previously and now it's a series of easier, less ambiguous steps.
I'm tempted to say, "Can you do mine, then?", but I did manage to get it working right. Canyon does a pretty good job on setting the whole bike up, but there were tweaks that it still needed.
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Yeah, or that. Then you have to remember to charge it....
I already charge the Garmin, two lights, and a radar for every ride. Charging Di2 is a non-issue.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
I already charge the Garmin, two lights, and a radar for every ride. Charging Di2 is a non-issue.
I live in a postwar tract house. Once I get beyond the Garmin and the tail light, I run out of plugs.
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Im fairly certain I shift 100s of times on a 30 miler. I shift the front every 5 mins or so generally too.
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I live in a postwar tract house. Once I get beyond the Garmin and the tail light, I run out of plugs.
I do have a lot of plugs (and love it, having grown up in a handbuilt farmhouse that my grandfather wired with lamp wire), but on my coffee table is a six-port Anker charging brick with a lightning cable, a mini-USB (taillight), three micro-USB (other light, Garmin, Varia), and a ForeRunner cable. Highly recommend.
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I live in a postwar tract house. Once I get beyond the Garmin and the tail light, I run out of plugs.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Set up of the 7000 series FD is persnickety, and I'm not sure why it has to be such a chore. All it needs to do is move the chain from big to small and back again, and not make grinding noises in between. I'm currently running 25 year old 7400 FD with 7800 STIs, on a 7410 crankset, and it moves the chain silently and instantly from big to small and back, and doesn't grind even without trimming. So, why does there have to be a VIDEO on setting up the 7000 FD?

Apart from that, once set up, I really love the 7020 groupset on the Canyon. It's ALMOST as nice as my multi-generation Dura Ace on the Ritchey, but with much better brakes. And more and wider gears.
I have a full 7400 groupset on my Alpine which I got in 1986 and it was my regular bike until 11 years ago. Worked amazingly well. The FD NEVER dropped a chain. Ever. The DT indexing was perfect. The 6 speed chain would last 10K miles or more. I think the "old school" top end groupsets were much so much more durable than the newer ones, which seem almost disposable in comparison. I still use this but it's been relegated to the trainer.

Yes, I know but still it's true.
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We have those. And on the subject of plugs, when I built the new shop I put an outlet every four feet around the circumference, except for door openings of course.
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I have a full 7400 groupset on my Alpine which I got in 1986 and it was my regular bike until 11 years ago. Worked amazingly well. The FD NEVER dropped a chain. Ever. The DT indexing was perfect. The 6 speed chain would last 10K miles or more. I think the "old school" top end groupsets were much so much more durable than the newer ones, which seem almost disposable in comparison. I still use this but it's been relegated to the trainer.

Yes, I know but still it's true.
And having only 10, or twelve, or 14 speeds, I manage. I shift maybe once or twice in fifty miles here in the flatlands.
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I have a full 7400 groupset on my Alpine which I got in 1986 and it was my regular bike until 11 years ago. Worked amazingly well. The FD NEVER dropped a chain. Ever. The DT indexing was perfect. The 6 speed chain would last 10K miles or more. I think the "old school" top end groupsets were much so much more durable than the newer ones, which seem almost disposable in comparison. I still use this but it's been relegated to the trainer.

Yes, I know but still it's true.
I kept the full 7400 series drivetrain till last fall - 22 years. I modernized to 10 speed and 12-30 because 39/25 wasn't small enough for the hills around here with my weight and level of fitness. I worried that it wouldn't work as well as the old kit, but it does, AND it has more, and lower gears.
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