1950s Jo Routens budget custom
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,701
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1136 Post(s)
Liked 650 Times
in
336 Posts
1950s Jo Routens budget custom
Hi all- Picked up this cycle a few years ago and finally pulling it out of storage to make it rideable. I am following Tim Dawson's approach of "restoration/preservation", so despite the pronounced wear on the finish I will not be repainting.
This is a 1950s era Jo Routens sport touring bike. It has most of the hallmarks of Routens' custom bikes, including helenic stays with brake cable routing thru the seattube, a custom-made Routens push-pull front derailleur, full braze-ons for a French 4 speed Cyclo rear derailleur (including cable guides), vertical dropouts, integral fender bosses, and forward-facing rear cantilever brake bosses. However, the customer clearly was on a budget because there are some cost-saving measures, including off-the-shelf seatstay caps and fork crown, as well as plain lugs at the headtube. The tubeset is not particularly lightweight, at about 3.1kg for frame and fork at size 54cm.
So far I have only cleaned the frame, repacked the headset, put on the front MAFACs with new pads, and installed a Velo Orange cartridge BB and TA Pro 5 Vis cranks.
This is a 1950s era Jo Routens sport touring bike. It has most of the hallmarks of Routens' custom bikes, including helenic stays with brake cable routing thru the seattube, a custom-made Routens push-pull front derailleur, full braze-ons for a French 4 speed Cyclo rear derailleur (including cable guides), vertical dropouts, integral fender bosses, and forward-facing rear cantilever brake bosses. However, the customer clearly was on a budget because there are some cost-saving measures, including off-the-shelf seatstay caps and fork crown, as well as plain lugs at the headtube. The tubeset is not particularly lightweight, at about 3.1kg for frame and fork at size 54cm.
So far I have only cleaned the frame, repacked the headset, put on the front MAFACs with new pads, and installed a Velo Orange cartridge BB and TA Pro 5 Vis cranks.
Last edited by TenGrainBread; 11-07-23 at 01:34 PM.
Likes For TenGrainBread:
#2
feros ferio
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Posts: 21,799
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1393 Post(s)
Liked 1,329 Times
in
837 Posts
I love sport touring frames. Versatile and fun.
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
Likes For John E:
#3
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,701
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1136 Post(s)
Liked 650 Times
in
336 Posts
When the cycle came to me it presented a few problems:
Here's the broken front rack which attaches to the fork crown and to the cantilever boss mounting bolts. the rack itself is another indication that this is a budget machine as it is fabricated from solid steel round stock and simply painted black. The higher-end Routens frames had the same rack but constructed from lighter, stronger steel tubing and usually chrome-plated.
The original Cyclo derailleur is in great condition.
- Very corroded steel handlebars and rims
- Bottom bracket with damaged races and a very stuck fixed cup
- Routens custom front rack with broken braze joint on the left strut
- Original Le Cyclo derailleur cable had been cut during packing. Previous owner probably didn't know that these cables are unique and difficult to find
Here's the broken front rack which attaches to the fork crown and to the cantilever boss mounting bolts. the rack itself is another indication that this is a budget machine as it is fabricated from solid steel round stock and simply painted black. The higher-end Routens frames had the same rack but constructed from lighter, stronger steel tubing and usually chrome-plated.
The original Cyclo derailleur is in great condition.
Last edited by TenGrainBread; 11-07-23 at 02:39 PM.
Likes For TenGrainBread:
#4
So it goes.
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: W. Tennessee
Posts: 965
Bikes: A few. Quite a few.
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 432 Post(s)
Liked 639 Times
in
261 Posts
Love the Routens touches, especially the rear cable routing and the custom front derailleur. I've missed out on a couple, but I've managed to find other ways to challenge the bike budget.
__________________
Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it.
Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it.
#5
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,701
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1136 Post(s)
Liked 650 Times
in
336 Posts
Here's a picture of what this bike would have looked like if the original owner had had the francs for it. 1957 bike identical to mine but with fillet-brazed head tube, custom fork crown, tubular chromed front rack, and nicer components.
Likes For TenGrainBread:
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 14,271
Mentioned: 415 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3814 Post(s)
Liked 3,345 Times
in
2,182 Posts
-----
excellent find
will look forward to following along
small bits -
lug pattern: BOCAMA Professional (without lip)
fork crown: Vagner PC+
fork ends: may be NERVEX Ref. 1440's series
pump pegs: NERVEX Ref. 845
seat stay bridge: NERVEX Ref. 600 serie
seat binder ears: NERVEX Ref. 850 serie
[do not have anything illustrating the "shoe horn" for rear brake cable]
-----
excellent find
will look forward to following along
small bits -
lug pattern: BOCAMA Professional (without lip)
fork crown: Vagner PC+
fork ends: may be NERVEX Ref. 1440's series
pump pegs: NERVEX Ref. 845
seat stay bridge: NERVEX Ref. 600 serie
seat binder ears: NERVEX Ref. 850 serie
[do not have anything illustrating the "shoe horn" for rear brake cable]
-----
Likes For juvela:
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 20,305
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3464 Post(s)
Liked 2,831 Times
in
1,997 Posts
Stately Black.
Singer did a budget bike apparently too.
but perhaps outsourced fabrication.
Singer did a budget bike apparently too.
but perhaps outsourced fabrication.
#8
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,701
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1136 Post(s)
Liked 650 Times
in
336 Posts
Routens and son also had outsourced frames, but I believe only during the bike boom in the 70s. They pop up from time to time, wholly unremarkable road frames with typical fittings.
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 14,271
Mentioned: 415 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3814 Post(s)
Liked 3,345 Times
in
2,182 Posts
-----
wonder if it would be too early to employ any Routens fittings other than the front mech?
have no knowledge of launch times for Routens components
thinking of items such as pedals and saddle pillars
-----
wonder if it would be too early to employ any Routens fittings other than the front mech?
have no knowledge of launch times for Routens components
thinking of items such as pedals and saddle pillars
-----
Last edited by juvela; 11-07-23 at 02:47 PM. Reason: addition
Likes For juvela:
#10
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,701
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1136 Post(s)
Liked 650 Times
in
336 Posts
The commercial Routens components were the brainchild of the son (Jean Paul Routens) after he had got involved in the business, which is why they are generally branded "JPR". I believe this side of the business started in the 70s, so yes too early for this frame. Seatposts, stems, QR skewers with build-in flashlight mount, headsets, decaleurs, pedals, and many more. Some with unique designs (most notably the brilliant one-piece seatpost) and some simply white label re-brands.
Likes For TenGrainBread:
#11
Extraordinary Magnitude
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 13,649
Bikes: 1978 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2608 Post(s)
Liked 1,703 Times
in
937 Posts
I had a JPR seat post- I assume it's an 80s thing- looked pretty much like the concurrent Avocet post.
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
#12
Senior Member
I had one of these and restored it a few years ago: https://djcatnap.com/jo-routens-650b-restoration/. Mine was one of the more upscale models (based on the seat stay cap treatment) but was either originally built for, or later converted to, a standard rear derailleur hanger. It retained the handmade Cyclo-style front derailleur.
__________________
Check out www.djcatnap.com for articles on vintage Japanese & French bicycle restorations, components and history.
Check out www.djcatnap.com for articles on vintage Japanese & French bicycle restorations, components and history.
Likes For Catnap:
#13
aged to perfection
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: PacNW
Posts: 1,817
Bikes: Dinucci Allez 2.0, Richard Sachs, Alex Singer, Serotta, Masi GC, Raleigh Pro Mk.1, Hetchins, etc
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 839 Post(s)
Liked 1,258 Times
in
663 Posts
anybody got a pic of the Routens bottom bracket with the reinforcing webs ?
/markp
/markp
#14
Senior Member
__________________
Check out www.djcatnap.com for articles on vintage Japanese & French bicycle restorations, components and history.
Check out www.djcatnap.com for articles on vintage Japanese & French bicycle restorations, components and history.
Likes For Catnap:
#15
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,701
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1136 Post(s)
Liked 650 Times
in
336 Posts
A few minor updates:
I've repaired the front rack by re-brazing the arm back on and repainted it with Rustoleum primer and black enamel, brushed on to retain the original "worn" character:
BEFORE
AFTER
The bike came with its original Exceltoo steel hubs laced to some very rusty steel rims. I had the local wheelbuilder rebuild the wheels with new Pacenti rims:
I have a stash of Huret Luxe wingnuts for solid axle hubs. Was thinking of looking around for Exceltoo wingnuts but I don't see any evidence of their existence online, perhaps they never made wingnuts.
Bike originally came to me with a Cyclo freewheel, I think it's a 5 speed freewheel with only 4 cogs threaded on. Hubs and freewheel internals have been cleaned and repacked.
At this point I have a couple more tasks and challenges before I can fully reassemble:
I've repaired the front rack by re-brazing the arm back on and repainted it with Rustoleum primer and black enamel, brushed on to retain the original "worn" character:
BEFORE
AFTER
The bike came with its original Exceltoo steel hubs laced to some very rusty steel rims. I had the local wheelbuilder rebuild the wheels with new Pacenti rims:
I have a stash of Huret Luxe wingnuts for solid axle hubs. Was thinking of looking around for Exceltoo wingnuts but I don't see any evidence of their existence online, perhaps they never made wingnuts.
Bike originally came to me with a Cyclo freewheel, I think it's a 5 speed freewheel with only 4 cogs threaded on. Hubs and freewheel internals have been cleaned and repacked.
At this point I have a couple more tasks and challenges before I can fully reassemble:
- I have a Birmalux alloy seatpost that will fit but need to cut it down to allow clearance for the rear brake cable which is routed through the seattube.
- The original cheap Pivo stem it came with is way too short for me, only 40mm. I have a nice steel 100mm Ambrosio stem that is marked 22.0 for French steerers, but it is a little too tall, so I think I will shorten it and cut a new slit for the expander.
- The main challenge, re-creating the Cyclo (France) shift cable. The original that came to me with the bike was cut short for shipping. I have a nice stainless replacement cable of the same diameter (1mm) that is flexible enough for the shift lever, so I have to figure out how to make and attach the nub that fastens it to the shift lever. Any input is welcome. I tried removing the nub from the original cable but it is crimped on and not transferable without destroying it.
Last edited by TenGrainBread; 12-16-23 at 07:22 PM.
Likes For TenGrainBread:
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 14,271
Mentioned: 415 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3814 Post(s)
Liked 3,345 Times
in
2,182 Posts
-----
the Exceltoo marque was a creation of the firm Atelier J. Courson, 6 Rue Bernard Palissy, Saint Etienne
this was prior to their merger with the company Etablissements Perrin forming the entity Etablissements Perrin-Courson, makers of products with brand names New Star, Pelissier and Exceltoo as well as the Maillard 700 serie hubs
your example looks like it may be from the Super Competition series
here is a pair of Exceltoos dated 1925 -
& a catalogue page of the same annum
bi-metal skewer levers
Exceltoo pedals were also produced
marque active well into the nineteen sixites & seemed to disappear during the nineteen seventies
-----
the Exceltoo marque was a creation of the firm Atelier J. Courson, 6 Rue Bernard Palissy, Saint Etienne
this was prior to their merger with the company Etablissements Perrin forming the entity Etablissements Perrin-Courson, makers of products with brand names New Star, Pelissier and Exceltoo as well as the Maillard 700 serie hubs
your example looks like it may be from the Super Competition series
here is a pair of Exceltoos dated 1925 -
& a catalogue page of the same annum
bi-metal skewer levers
Exceltoo pedals were also produced
marque active well into the nineteen sixites & seemed to disappear during the nineteen seventies
-----
Last edited by juvela; 12-16-23 at 06:49 PM. Reason: addition
Likes For juvela:
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 2,820
Mentioned: 49 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1106 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,328 Times
in
784 Posts
- The main challenge, re-creating the Cyclo (France) shift cable. The original that came to me with the bike was cut short for shipping. I have a nice stainless replacement cable of the same diameter (1mm) that is flexible enough for the shift lever, so I have to figure out how to make and attach the nub that fastens it to the shift lever. Any input is welcome. I tried removing the nub from the original cable but it is crimped on and not transferable without destroying it.
Is the cut in a section clear of guides/lever/mech?
Splice the cable - get a bit of brass tubing id just bigger than the cable, and use a good hot iron and some silver-bearing solder.