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Because people who don't understand them are clinging to outdated standards. Need a different mindset with ebikes.
Have to admit it would be nice to have a lightweight ebike. Carrying a 50# bike up a flight of stairs every night would suck. Even lifting it up onto a repair stand or car rackis a chore. But shedding weight at the expense of what makes an ebike fun, power and range, is a poor trade.
Have to admit it would be nice to have a lightweight ebike. Carrying a 50# bike up a flight of stairs every night would suck. Even lifting it up onto a repair stand or car rackis a chore. But shedding weight at the expense of what makes an ebike fun, power and range, is a poor trade.
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There's a good reason Bianchi and other high end companies use a rear hub drive for their lightweight "e's"; they transfer power well and can be as seemingly integrated as mid's. Undoubtedly this has a torque sensor (maybe rpm and speed sensors too) since DIY hub systems are available with torque sensors. IMO they missed the boat by not having assist to 28 mph.
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Because people who don't understand them are clinging to outdated standards. Need a different mindset with ebikes.
Have to admit it would be nice to have a lightweight ebike. Carrying a 50# bike up a flight of stairs every night would suck. Even lifting it up onto a repair stand or car rackis a chore. But shedding weight at the expense of what makes an ebike fun, power and range, is a poor trade.
Have to admit it would be nice to have a lightweight ebike. Carrying a 50# bike up a flight of stairs every night would suck. Even lifting it up onto a repair stand or car rackis a chore. But shedding weight at the expense of what makes an ebike fun, power and range, is a poor trade.
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It's also a chicken-and-egg thing, too, because low weight enables you to ride it like a regular bike. That's a big part of why I find the Lemonds fascinating; at 26lbs, the Prolog stimulates me to consider what riding an ebike that feels, looks, and rides like a regular bike would be like. Would I pedal further and harder, knowing I've got the e-assist to bail me out if I empty the proverbial tank and bonk? Would I use e-assist at all on workouts and training rides? Would it entice me to do more errands and utility trips by bike because e-assist extends my range and speed? I've never lived with an e-bike, so those might be familiar questions to those who have, but really, these Lemonds are the first e-bikes to impress me as having the kind of sporting potential to make those questions more than trivial. Plus, they're freakin' hot.
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It's also a chicken-and-egg thing, too, because low weight enables you to ride it like a regular bike. That's a big part of why I find the Lemonds fascinating; at 26lbs, the Prolog stimulates me to consider what riding an ebike that feels, looks, and rides like a regular bike would be like. Would I pedal further and harder, knowing I've got the e-assist to bail me out if I empty the proverbial tank and bonk? Would I use e-assist at all on workouts and training rides? Would it entice me to do more errands and utility trips by bike because e-assist extends my range and speed? I've never lived with an e-bike, so those might be familiar questions to those who have, but really, these Lemonds are the first e-bikes to impress me as having the kind of sporting potential to make those questions more than trivial. Plus, they're freakin' hot.
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It's also a chicken-and-egg thing, too, because low weight enables you to ride it like a regular bike. That's a big part of why I find the Lemonds fascinating; at 26lbs, the Prolog stimulates me to consider what riding an ebike that feels, looks, and rides like a regular bike would be like. Would I pedal further and harder, knowing I've got the e-assist to bail me out if I empty the proverbial tank and bonk? Would I use e-assist at all on workouts and training rides? Would it entice me to do more errands and utility trips by bike because e-assist extends my range and speed? I've never lived with an e-bike, so those might be familiar questions to those who have, but really, these Lemonds are the first e-bikes to impress me as having the kind of sporting potential to make those questions more than trivial. Plus, they're freakin' hot.
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I will say, though, that if I were considering spending something like $2.8k on an e-bike, stepping up to add another $1.8k for a Lemond would be a real easy sell, because they seem to be altogether on another level from the typical stuff, plus I'd be delighted to roll with the Lemond name on the downtube. I think Greg is a real, stand-up dude...flawed like any human, no demi-god, but truly a relatable cat.
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It strikes me as odd that a famous bike racer who was able to go fast (it just gets harder) is now selling machines to help people go fast with less effort. Oh, Greg how little we knew you. The classic excuse for buying an ebike is like: I can keep up my speed just like I used to. Where does the bible say that keeping up your speed is so important? The whole ebike thing is just an excuse for people with money to pretend they can still go fast.
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It strikes me as odd that a famous bike racer who was able to go fast (it just gets harder) is now selling machines to help people go fast with less effort. Oh, Greg how little we knew you. The classic excuse for buying an ebike is like: I can keep up my speed just like I used to. Where does the bible say that keeping up your speed is so important? The whole ebike thing is just an excuse for people with money to pretend they can still go fast.
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It strikes me as odd that a famous bike racer who was able to go fast (it just gets harder) is now selling machines to help people go fast with less effort. Oh, Greg how little we knew you. The classic excuse for buying an ebike is like: I can keep up my speed just like I used to. Where does the bible say that keeping up your speed is so important? The whole ebike thing is just an excuse for people with money to pretend they can still go fast.
As far as Greg selling e-bikes? He loves cycling (I know this from talking to him personally) and he knows that more people on bikes is great for cycling the community. The major reason Americans don't ride bikes is because it involves exertion and as a rule, Americans try and avoid that kind of thing. Just because it isn't for you or you can't see the long game doesn't mean it isn't good for someone else.
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Oh lord. Not another "real men don't ride ebikes" rant.
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RE: Why a 26 lb e-bike
My e-MTB conversion weighs way north of 50 lbs. I've been trying to figure out a way to carry it on my Camry that won't cost as much as the conversion itself. 26 lbs and my trunk rack still works.
My e-MTB conversion weighs way north of 50 lbs. I've been trying to figure out a way to carry it on my Camry that won't cost as much as the conversion itself. 26 lbs and my trunk rack still works.
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Drove 3000 miles this summer with a 50# ebike and a SWB recumbent on the back of my Mazda3.
The ebike was even a cannondale aluminum frame bike that I hung by the top bar, mid drive motor and all. Only problem I had is the wind broke one of my plastic SKS fenders.
You can get a receiver hitch and bike rack from Amazon for $250 just like I did.
12-07-20, 04:41 PM
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So now I'm confused.
Are the Lemonds too light and therefore not real ebikes?
Are they too expensive?
Are they too slow for real cyclists?
Do real cyclists even ride ebikes?
I reckon Greg is competing with this: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/s-...ext=98121-0101
which, by the way, is listed at $14K.
Are the Lemonds too light and therefore not real ebikes?
Are they too expensive?
Are they too slow for real cyclists?
Do real cyclists even ride ebikes?
I reckon Greg is competing with this: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/s-...ext=98121-0101
which, by the way, is listed at $14K.
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12-07-20, 05:08 PM
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Last year I was all curious to see what his new company was finally going to release. Then those pics were released that had a couple of bike shapes in black against black backgrounds and I lost a lot of curiosity. Then I saw they would release a flatbar ebike and lost all interest.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
Its a neat bit of tech, but I just dont get it.
Cool stuff-
- the integrated headlight and tail lights are really neat. if this can become a trend on bikes, super cool. nobody buys a car or motorcycle and then adds lights to it.
- room for 38mm tires is really good design for this style bike.
- the component selection seems good. grx 1x is simple, reliable, and quality. GK slick tires are quality. good brakes too.
- its relatively light for an ebike.
Questionable stuff-
- what if the lights break? Most everyone that uses lights knows how incredibly frustrating they can be due to not lasting. Does this mean trips to the shop and paying $?...thats lame when a new 500 lumen light can just be strapped to a bar for $60 or quality tail lights can be bought for $30
- $4500 for this bike seems like a lot to ask based on me not totally understanding who wants the bike. Roadies wont want it due to design. Gravel riders wont want it due to design. Weekend warriors wont want this due to design. MTB riders wont want it due to design. People just getting into cycling wont want it due to cost. So is the target audience commuters?...the bikes I see being ridden to and from work are about 4 price levels below this. Is the target audience weekend casual riders wanting to ride to get coffee with a friend or something like that?
I think the market may be AARPers who have cycled for a long time since they will know the name, have $ to buy something like this, and benefit from the motor.
Im curious to hear what the market(s) is.
- Does it really only come in 1 size?!? There is no mention of size or geometry.
Carbon wheelset, integrated lights, quality drivetrain and braking, lightweight even though its an ebike- all really neat. No idea who buys it with flat bars.
After looking at the site, my interest is back since I am curious what the road bike will look like when its released. That has to have a more obvious market, I would hope.
Aaaaah, so smooth! So effortless! If I was a full Campy Colnago....I'd want to go to bed with this baby!
But...It wouldn't last....we'd soon break up due to philosophical differences!
Be a hell of a ride while it lasted, tho!
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So now I'm confused.
Are the Lemonds too light and therefore not real ebikes?
Are they too expensive?
Are they too slow for real cyclists?
Do real cyclists even ride ebikes?
I reckon Greg is competing with this: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/s-...ext=98121-0101
which, by the way, is listed at $14K.
Are the Lemonds too light and therefore not real ebikes?
Are they too expensive?
Are they too slow for real cyclists?
Do real cyclists even ride ebikes?
I reckon Greg is competing with this: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/s-...ext=98121-0101
which, by the way, is listed at $14K.
12-07-20, 07:08 PM
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So how do these work? If I’m grinding uphill at, say, 70rpm and 250w, would a 250w Lemond motor, if switched on, add it’s 250w to my 70rpm and put 500w to the road? Guy, that’s awesome...
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It strikes me as odd that a famous bike racer who was able to go fast (it just gets harder) is now selling machines to help people go fast with less effort. Oh, Greg how little we knew you. The classic excuse for buying an ebike is like: I can keep up my speed just like I used to. Where does the bible say that keeping up your speed is so important? The whole ebike thing is just an excuse for people with money to pretend they can still go fast.
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Isn't the current Lemond pretty sedate man who doesn't look at all like a an ex bicycle racer? Not everybody ages and keeps the figure that testifies to sporting life. But the bike looks sharp, most will not even know it is an ebike from its looks. I think yuppies is the market for this toy. If you need to save for this, its not for you. Also, I'd be worried about the company longevity, standing behind the product some years down the road.
And on what basis do question the longevity of the brand? Lemond fought for years to regain control of his name and brand from Trek after they stopped supporting his brand. He’s clearly committed, it’s obviously personal, and he’s a fighter, which we know from his other business ventures. He sold and bought back Revolution trainers when he thought that was mismanaged. He returned to his relationship with Time after his racing days and still works with them today; he owns Time USA I believe. Point being, Lemond is a stand-up guy who honors his name and relationships, so concern for longevity on those grounds is unwarranted.
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here is a bike close though weighs more but its cool seeing competition https://nplusbikes.com/pages/mercedes-benz-eq-e-bikes
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12-09-20, 08:07 PM
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