Bike manufacturers forcing us/riders to 1x drive trains
08-23-20, 01:53 PM
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If she doesn’t want 1x, don’t buy it. For that kind of money you could build whatever you want. Saying that people are being forced into something just by making it available is pretty ridiculous.
08-23-20, 01:57 PM
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Manufacturers probably produced a bunch of 1x, thinking the trend would catch on, and are now selling it off to bike companies---"If you want our other stuff, you need to buy x number of 1x stuff."
But seriously .... no one is "forced" to buy much of anything. And anyone willing to spend $10K on a bike ..... either get exactly what you want or don't buy it. I am pretty sure you could get Any frame painted for an extra couple hundred... Whatever.
Hope the lady gets something she can enjoy riding ... or keeps enjoying her existing ride.
But seriously .... no one is "forced" to buy much of anything. And anyone willing to spend $10K on a bike ..... either get exactly what you want or don't buy it. I am pretty sure you could get Any frame painted for an extra couple hundred... Whatever.
Hope the lady gets something she can enjoy riding ... or keeps enjoying her existing ride.
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https://www.specialized.com/ca/en/ta...ext=94920-3044
Buy this. Then spend $1450CAD for the roval wheels on the sl7pro.
That leaves you with $1000CAD to paint the frame and fork a basic white to match the sl7pro.
Boom- effectively the same bike but now 2x. cant say it makes much sense to do, but there is a lot here that is headscratching.
Buy this. Then spend $1450CAD for the roval wheels on the sl7pro.
That leaves you with $1000CAD to paint the frame and fork a basic white to match the sl7pro.
Boom- effectively the same bike but now 2x. cant say it makes much sense to do, but there is a lot here that is headscratching.
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"The desired color is only being offered with X groupset - we're being FORCED, I tell you!"
Lol, the drama.
Lol, the drama.
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When he won the Worlds in Yorkshire in the Autumn he was back on 2x, and he's been riding 2x in general this season as far as I can make out.
1x makes sense for some applications. I don't know why anyone would even want a front derailleur for a dead flat race like Roubaix. Just leave it in the 53 all day, and you're never going to go lower than a 19 at the back anyway.
08-23-20, 02:57 PM
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I have 2 bikes, one has a compact crank with a 11-28 and the other is 1x with a 40T and a 11-32.
The 1x is on my winter - foul weather bike and I specifically wanted it since drivetrain parts are relatively cheap compared to my other bike.
I live on Long Island so it's mostly flat, a 40 mile ride might only have 1600' of climbing unless you do hill repeats or go out of your way to do more. I recently got a Garmin 530 and it actually tells you how many times you shift each derailleur. On most rides I maybe shift the front 3-4 times. When I ride the 1x I do the same routes and obviously don't shift the front at all.
1x, 2x or 3x. 10-32, 11-23 or 11-42,
They all have their place. This is why many of us have multiple bikes. N+1
There are enough manufacturers that you should be able to find a bile in your price range with the groupset you want and in a paint scheme that you like.
When i got my 1x there not as many options as today. I wanted 1x, I wanted Rival CX1 with hydro brakes and 32mm tires. The Cannondale SuperX had all of that but I didn't care for the color. Since there was no other bike with the same drivetrain in my price... I bought it.
The 1x is on my winter - foul weather bike and I specifically wanted it since drivetrain parts are relatively cheap compared to my other bike.
I live on Long Island so it's mostly flat, a 40 mile ride might only have 1600' of climbing unless you do hill repeats or go out of your way to do more. I recently got a Garmin 530 and it actually tells you how many times you shift each derailleur. On most rides I maybe shift the front 3-4 times. When I ride the 1x I do the same routes and obviously don't shift the front at all.
1x, 2x or 3x. 10-32, 11-23 or 11-42,
They all have their place. This is why many of us have multiple bikes. N+1
There are enough manufacturers that you should be able to find a bile in your price range with the groupset you want and in a paint scheme that you like.
When i got my 1x there not as many options as today. I wanted 1x, I wanted Rival CX1 with hydro brakes and 32mm tires. The Cannondale SuperX had all of that but I didn't care for the color. Since there was no other bike with the same drivetrain in my price... I bought it.
08-23-20, 03:02 PM
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I'm not that familiar with the Specialized line but the SL6 Pro is $1000 less and has Force AXS with 2x.
https://www.specialized.com/ca/en/ta...ext=90620-1144
https://www.specialized.com/ca/en/ta...ext=90620-1144
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https://www.specialized.com/ca/en/sh...armac/c/tarmac
There are 15 models of Tarmac on that page, and 14 of them are 2x.
There are 15 models of Tarmac on that page, and 14 of them are 2x.
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Huh?
What is this “big problem” of which you speak?
Have you paid attention to mountain bike drivetrains over the past 5 or so years? It is almost all 1X on the most aggressive bikes, and with the narrow/wide chainrings (which only work with 1X) chain retention is better than with 2X. And these regularly get ridden over terrain that makes Paves look like pavement.
What is this “big problem” of which you speak?
Have you paid attention to mountain bike drivetrains over the past 5 or so years? It is almost all 1X on the most aggressive bikes, and with the narrow/wide chainrings (which only work with 1X) chain retention is better than with 2X. And these regularly get ridden over terrain that makes Paves look like pavement.
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Ok, forced might have been wrong terminology. You have correctly pointed out there are other options out there.
And those you who pointed out, you are correct. Mrs. NoWhammies is only stuck with this groupo if she wants that colour of the bike. Which she does, of course. For those of you who are married or have a SO, have you ever tried to convince your partner that colour doesn't matter or "it's only a colour"? Yeah, that can be an uphill battle. On a hill I am not prepare to die on.
So maybe my beef can be narrows down to the inability to mix an match groupos of the bikes we buy? Or am I being too simplistic?
And those you who pointed out, you are correct. Mrs. NoWhammies is only stuck with this groupo if she wants that colour of the bike. Which she does, of course. For those of you who are married or have a SO, have you ever tried to convince your partner that colour doesn't matter or "it's only a colour"? Yeah, that can be an uphill battle. On a hill I am not prepare to die on.
So maybe my beef can be narrows down to the inability to mix an match groupos of the bikes we buy? Or am I being too simplistic?
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Ok, forced might have been wrong terminology. You have correctly pointed out there are other options out there.
And those you who pointed out, you are correct. Mrs. NoWhammies is only stuck with this groupo if she wants that colour of the bike. Which she does, of course. For those of you who are married or have a SO, have you ever tried to convince your partner that colour doesn't matter or "it's only a colour"? Yeah, that can be an uphill battle. On a hill I am not prepare to die on.
So maybe my beef can be narrows down to the inability to mix an match groupos of the bikes we buy? Or am I being too simplistic?
And those you who pointed out, you are correct. Mrs. NoWhammies is only stuck with this groupo if she wants that colour of the bike. Which she does, of course. For those of you who are married or have a SO, have you ever tried to convince your partner that colour doesn't matter or "it's only a colour"? Yeah, that can be an uphill battle. On a hill I am not prepare to die on.
So maybe my beef can be narrows down to the inability to mix an match groupos of the bikes we buy? Or am I being too simplistic?
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Gear inches. I want 30 at the bottom and 110 at the top.
Just wondering, can you do that with a 1x?
Just wondering, can you do that with a 1x?
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All my and my family's bikes are ones I put together. It's a very good way to get exactly what you want. $9.5k for a bike is madness.
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Ok, forced might have been wrong terminology. You have correctly pointed out there are other options out there.
And those you who pointed out, you are correct. Mrs. NoWhammies is only stuck with this groupo if she wants that colour of the bike. Which she does, of course. For those of you who are married or have a SO, have you ever tried to convince your partner that colour doesn't matter or "it's only a colour"? Yeah, that can be an uphill battle. On a hill I am not prepare to die on.
So maybe my beef can be narrows down to the inability to mix an match groupos of the bikes we buy? Or am I being too simplistic?
And those you who pointed out, you are correct. Mrs. NoWhammies is only stuck with this groupo if she wants that colour of the bike. Which she does, of course. For those of you who are married or have a SO, have you ever tried to convince your partner that colour doesn't matter or "it's only a colour"? Yeah, that can be an uphill battle. On a hill I am not prepare to die on.
So maybe my beef can be narrows down to the inability to mix an match groupos of the bikes we buy? Or am I being too simplistic?
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[QUOTE=Maelochs;21656692]...
But seriously .... no one is "forced" to buy much of anything. And anyone willing to spend $10K on a bike ..... either get exactly what you want or don't buy it. I am pretty sure you could get Any frame painted for an extra couple hundred... Whatever.
...{/QUOTE]
+1 If it were me, I'd skip the decals, manufacturer, model, etc. If they want me to advertise for them, they have to provide the bike (that I paid for) that I want. (Especially for that kind of money.)
But seriously .... no one is "forced" to buy much of anything. And anyone willing to spend $10K on a bike ..... either get exactly what you want or don't buy it. I am pretty sure you could get Any frame painted for an extra couple hundred... Whatever.
...{/QUOTE]
+1 If it were me, I'd skip the decals, manufacturer, model, etc. If they want me to advertise for them, they have to provide the bike (that I paid for) that I want. (Especially for that kind of money.)
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