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Old 04-20-18, 01:51 PM
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With my Shimano freehubs, I put a drop of grease behind the freehub, and it makes them nearly silent. I presume eventually the grease will work through the seals and cause issues, but so far, they've held up well.

PowerCranks use some kind of a roller bearing pawl on their cranks which I believe is essentially silent, but the technology hasn't been widely used for freehubs.
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Old 04-20-18, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL
On the other hand, car enthusiast actually covet the sound of their engines (especially the exulted V8) when referring to exhaust systems -- a by-product of the internal combustion engine. Doesn't seem to be anything inferior about that?
..well..have a hub give off the rumble of a V8 and many may not have an issue with it. But the noise..racket some hubs create, regardless of price, is obnoxious. Couldn't give me one of those hubs...but that's me..everyone's mileage varies..some need the mental boost of designer 'names'.

On the other hand, as I think of it, if the welcome rumble of a V8 is the product of the combustion engine, then, to be consistent, bicycle hubs should create the..ahh..'rumble' that is the product of the human 'engine'...seems reasonable.
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Old 04-20-18, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fishboat
..well..have a hub give off the rumble of a V8 and many may not have an issue with it. But the noise..racket some hubs create, regardless of price, is obnoxious. Couldn't give me one of those hubs...but that's me..everyone's mileage varies..some need the mental boost of designer 'names'.

On the other hand, as I think of it, if the welcome rumble of a V8 is the product of the combustion engine, then, to be consistent, bicycle hubs should create the..ahh..'rumble' that is the product of the human 'engine'...seems reasonable.
My point exactly. I find the asynchronous clacking of a finely crafted hub rather soothing.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL
My point exactly. I find the asynchronous clacking of a finely crafted hub rather soothing.
...zooom..missed my (bolded) point entirely.

(unless clacking is a natural sound humans create)
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Old 04-20-18, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fishboat
...zooom..missed my (bolded) point entirely.

(unless clacking is a natural sound humans create)
So since it was over my head before, here is the opportunity where you clarify.
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Old 04-20-18, 06:05 PM
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I like the way my DT Swiss hubs (in Bontrager RXL and other wheels) sound. They use a double saw tooth instead of sprung pawls. Not silent, but pretty quiet. When they get louder, it's time to grease them again.
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Old 04-20-18, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by athrowawaynic
Onyx makes quiet hubs. But they are expensive...
Not really. The Continuum Onyx is primarily a commuter bike and comes loaded with lights, fenders, rack, etc. in addition to a Nuvinci CVT internal gear hub and a silent carbon fiber belt drive. At $999, you get a lot for your money.

But if all one wants is the silence of a belt and CVT without all the extra equipment, the Glide from the same company (www.prioritybicycles.com) currently sells for $749 and is more of a recreational or trekking bike.

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Old 04-20-18, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse

I personally prefer noisy hubs. I call it the coasting alarm.
Yes. You can't win when the alarm is going off!
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Old 04-20-18, 07:07 PM
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At least they aren't silent to avoid a grand jury or something. But it they don't make a racket, they can't be too bad off.
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I have an old 80’s 7 speed which is pretty quiet. Don’t care for all the noise. Lightly greased, both pawls and bearings.
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Old 04-21-18, 06:30 AM
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What's with all this "noise"? Is it one of those obsessive compulsive things? I'll trade that kind of noise with the squeaky disk brake noise any day.
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Old 04-21-18, 07:20 AM
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I picked up a Kestrel SL-1000 Di2 last year, and it sounded like killer bees when freewheeling. I upgraded the wheels to HEDs, with a Dura Ace cassette, and it's much quieter. I gave the old wheels to my son, and now I can tell when he's not pedaling, from all the noise. That's even WORSE, because that's when I'm not going fast enough for him to be pedaling!
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Old 04-21-18, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Gem
Not really. The Continuum Onyx is primarily a commuter bike and comes loaded with lights, fenders, rack, etc.
Onyx Racing Products the hub manufacturer, not Onyx the bike model made by Priority.
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Old 04-21-18, 09:46 AM
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Internally geared hubs (as mentioned in the original post) will have multiple sets of freewheel pawls inside them, so it's common for those hubs to make a ticking sound while pedaling in some gears. Sturmey-Archer 3-speeds, for example, will be quiet while pedaling in 1st gear, and tick in 2nd and 3rd. Shimano Nexus 3-speeds do something similar. The ticking comes from the "extra" pawls not being engaged in certain gears.
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Originally Posted by agmetal
Internally geared hubs (as mentioned in the original post) will have multiple sets of freewheel pawls inside them, so it's common for those hubs to make a ticking sound while pedaling in some gears. Sturmey-Archer 3-speeds, for example, will be quiet while pedaling in 1st gear, and tick in 2nd and 3rd. Shimano Nexus 3-speeds do something similar. The ticking comes from the "extra" pawls not being engaged in certain gears.
Nuvinci not so much.
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Old 04-22-18, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Firebolt
Onyx Racing Products the hub manufacturer, not Onyx the bike model made by Priority.
Correct.

Originally Posted by Bill Gem
At $999, you get a lot for your money.

But if all one wants is the silence of a belt and CVT without all the extra equipment, the Glide from the same company (www.prioritybicycles.com) currently sells for $749 and is more of a recreational or trekking bike.
We're not talking about the same thing. I'm talking about this:


which is a hair under $500 (for the hub - the rest of the wheel is not incuded in that price - nor is the rest of the bike).

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Old 04-22-18, 09:35 PM
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I'm not sure but I think it has something to do with the cable, it shouldn't contact against the frame/ another cable. I hope this helps reduce the noise tho
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silent rear wheel reminds me of electric cars. I like things to make sound while it moves. I think I lose quite a bit more calories on a loud bike since sound is like a form of energy.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Clicking noises are the expenditure of watts as they're converted into sound.
If you're freewheeling you're not producing power.

Reality is that designs with more points of engagement are typically nicer to ride. It's not a thing you notice with continuous power, it's when changing gears on a climb, sprint, or starting from a stoplight.
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Old 04-24-18, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep
If you're freewheeling you're not producing power.
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Though there could still be watts being sucked away in a similar manner as would be the case if you had a dynamo drawing the tires rotational energy to power a headlight.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL
So since it was over my head before, here is the opportunity where you clarify.
The answer is right in his quote
"(unless clacking is a natural sound humans create)"
Humans don't make that sound
Humans don't make that sound

Humans don't make that sound
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