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Old 04-06-19, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
Sounds like an oxymoron.
Well, think about it. If you do some analysis and figure out that you'll make less money on your automotive stocks if ride-sharing companies and other alternatives to car ownership grow, then it makes sense to (short) sell those companies to attempt to drive them out of business, i.e. by driving investors away from them out of fear they'll lose their money if they invest.

So there are people who want to invest in alternative transportation and help it grow, even if they won't make money at the same levels as by investing in the individual-car-ownership model of transportation; but they should be protected against others who want to intimidate them away from investing by crashing their stocks.

I hope you see my point here. The problem is that investors can weaponize selling to gain anti-competitive leverage against companies that threaten the market dominance of other companies and the paradigms they serve and maintain, such as the paradigm of individual car ownership.
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I hope you see my point here.
The point is clear that you don't have a clue as to how the short selling stock (or investment) process works in the marketplace, but rather you fabricate an entirely imaginary marketplace scenario to fit your construct of a world-wide conspiracy against your dreamy ideas about so-called alternative transportation and associated so-called "LCF" lifestyles.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
The point is clear that you don't have a clue as to how the short selling stock (or investment) process works in the marketplace, but rather you fabricate an entirely imaginary marketplace scenario to fit your construct of a world-wide conspiracy against your dreamy ideas about so-called alternative transportation and associated so-called "LCF" lifestyles.
Makes one wonder why they have classes on economics doesn’t it? Maybe if the business plan was developed working with the community rather than against it? But people are getting smarter.

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Old 04-06-19, 06:59 PM
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Makes one wonder why they have classes on economics doesn’t it?
Some "critical thinkers" seem to "think" they don't need no stinkin' classes because they prefer to fabricate their own facts that will fit their agenda.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Some "critical thinkers" seem to "think" they don't need no stinkin' classes because they prefer to fabricate their own facts that will fit their agenda.

Still how does one debate a person with a manufactured conspiracy? We went through some of these same conspiracies when Segways didn't catch on. Some ideas are well thought out and some are not and I seriously doubt that the heads of Ford, GM, Toyota, BMW and Volkswagen "ever" get together and brainstorm about what needs to be done to beat back electric rental scooters. Business acquisitions typically only take place "after" a business shows potential. Not while it is embroiled in a battle with government entities and insurance regulations. But that has nothing to do with a conspiracy.
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But it has a lot to do with politics. So which is it, everyone? P and R or close this thread?
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
But it has a lot to do with politics. So which is it, everyone? P and R or close this thread?
Bring it to an end!
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
But it has a lot to do with politics. So which is it, everyone? P and R or close this thread?
Close this thread and every other thread, present or future, that begins or evolves into variations of the same fabricated economic and political conspiracy theory that has nothing to do with Living Car Free except in one poster's imagination.
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
But it has a lot to do with politics. So which is it, everyone? P and R or close this thread?
It got off track and I went along with the deviation. If you move it to P&R I won't be able to do anything with it further so if you insist on either closing it or moving it to P&R, I would say just close it.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Close this thread and every other thread, present or future, that begins or evolves into variations of the same fabricated economic and political conspiracy theory that has nothing to do with Living Car Free except in one poster's imagination.
Are you asking them to ban me from the forum? Why don't you ban yourself?
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Originally Posted by Mobile 155 View Post
Still how does one debate a person with a manufactured conspiracy? We went through some of these same conspiracies when Segways didn't catch on. Some ideas are well thought out and some are not and I seriously doubt that the heads of Ford, GM, Toyota, BMW and Volkswagen "ever" get together and brainstorm about what needs to be done to beat back electric rental scooters. Business acquisitions typically only take place "after" a business shows potential. Not while it is embroiled in a battle with government entities and insurance regulations. But that has nothing to do with a conspiracy.
For some people, the only potential they care about in anything car-free is the potential to prevent it from growing. You of all people should understand that.
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Originally Posted by tandempower View Post
Well, think about it. If you do some analysis and figure out that you'll make less money on your automotive stocks if ride-sharing companies and other alternatives to car ownership grow, then it makes sense to (short) sell those companies to attempt to drive them out of business, i.e. by driving investors away from them out of fear they'll lose their money if they invest.
I think you're misunderstanding the effects of shorting a stock. Individuals or even large institutions don't have the ability to significantly move stock prices. Investors short stocks they believe are overvalued. They're not shorting to move the stock, rather they're hoping to capitalize on the eventual correction in an over-valued stock. While individual short sellers theoretically have the ability to impact stock prices they also take considerable risks if the company continues to perform well.
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My old town manages to get along without them around, at all ..
We have a lot of small buses and I have a bunch of bikes.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
Bring it to an end!
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Close this thread and every other thread, present or future, that begins or evolves into variations of the same fabricated economic and political conspiracy theory that has nothing to do with Living Car Free except in one poster's imagination.
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It got off track and I went along with the deviation. If you move it to P&R I won't be able to do anything with it further so if you insist on either closing it or moving it to P&R, I would say just close it.
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I think you're misunderstanding the effects of shorting a stock. Individuals or even large institutions don't have the ability to significantly move stock prices. Investors short stocks they believe are overvalued. They're not shorting to move the stock, rather they're hoping to capitalize on the eventual correction in an over-valued stock. While individual short sellers theoretically have the ability to impact stock prices they also take considerable risks if the company continues to perform well.
Thread closed.
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