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Old 02-06-19, 07:13 PM
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SRAM is on a roll

SRAM wireless electronic shifting systems keep improving.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sram...roupset-video/

Iím currently running a 2x11 Red eTap it itís ease of installation combined with itís ergonomic shifter logic makes it a great system to own. The removable batteries are also an improvement over systems that have a frame mounted batteries.

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Sub-titled, "Could this be the end for cable groups?"

Us vintage guys (I do ride several bikes with Campy10sp), can only guffaw....

But i'm all for product improvements for leading edge buyers and racers.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Sub-titled, "Could this be the end for cable groups?"

Us vintage guys (I do ride several bikes with Campy10sp), can only guffaw....

But i'm all for product improvements for leading edge buyers and racers.
I'm completing 4 bike projects this year, including a rebuild of a Eddy Merckx and a Serotta. I'm also resorting a Paramount. The Merckx and Paramount will be period correct, the 1988 Merckx will get an 8 speed Shimano drivetrain.

I've just finished a 2018 Ridley Helium SLX with Sram eTap Red. It was my first build with Sram and my first electronic drivetrain. I was really impressed with the ease of installation and ease of use. Sram is way ahead of Shimano on this system, mostly because the batteries are simply removed from the derailleurs for recharging, with Shimano you need to bring the charger to the bike. Also the wireless technology makes installation very easy and provides a clean look.
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@Barrettscv - I love your collection.
Glad SRAM is quickly evolving and improving. Some company needs to challenge Shimano's market dominance.
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
Sram is way ahead of Shimano on this system, mostly because the batteries are simply removed from the derailleurs for recharging, with Shimano you need to bring the charger to the bike.
I don't know.

My Di2 charger sits right near where I park my bike. I don't have to bring a charger anywhere nor remove anything from the bike. Plug in one wire, wait a few hours, done. It only has to be plugged in a couple times each year.

SRAM on the other hand, has two separate batteries which have to be removed from the bike for charging and transport. Shifter batteries can't even be charged and require tools to open the shifter for replacement. I don't see how this qualifies as "way ahead."

Wireless is nice though. I wish Shimano had that.


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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I don't know.

My Di2 charger sits right near where I park my bike. I don't have to bring a charger anywhere nor remove anything from the bike. Plug in one wire, wait a few hours, done. It only has to be plugged in a couple times each year.

SRAM on the other hand, has two separate batteries which have to be removed from the bike for charging and transport. Shifter batteries can't even be charged and require tools to open the shifter for replacement. I don't see how this qualifies as "way ahead."

Wireless is nice though. I wish Shimano had that.


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The Sram eTap shifters have a replaceable "nickel" type battery. The shifter batteries last a year or more, since they don't power any motors or mechanism.
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I don't know.

My Di2 charger sits right near where I park my bike. I don't have to bring a charger anywhere nor remove anything from the bike. Plug in one wire, wait a few hours, done. It only has to be plugged in a couple times each year.

SRAM on the other hand, has two separate batteries which have to be removed from the bike for charging and transport. Shifter batteries can't even be charged and require tools to open the shifter for replacement. I don't see how this qualifies as "way ahead."

Wireless is nice though. I wish Shimano had that.


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Wait until someone works out a hack or jam for wireless controls, which I suspect are not very secure -- should be great fun in a race, particularly on a hill climb or in a tight peleton.
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
The Sram eTap shifters have a replaceable "nickel" type battery. The shifter batteries last a year or more, since they don't power any motors or mechanism.
Is there anyway to tell when the batteries need replacing? Or if they are dead?
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Originally Posted by John E View Post
Wait until someone works out a hack or jam for wireless controls, which I suspect are not very secure -- should be great fun in a race, particularly on a hill climb or in a tight peleton.
End of a long stage, up through the madness of Alp d'Huez, pacers dropped, team car a ways back...
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Wait until someone works out a hack or jam for wireless controls, which I suspect are not very secure -- should be great fun in a race, particularly on a hill climb or in a tight peleton.
I brought this up as well when SRAM came out with this etap.
Just have someone stand on a critical corner or hill during a race and turn the jammer on. Usually these jammers are only good a few feet away.
But it would be enough to cause a delay in shifting.

Friends don't let friends ride SRAM.......I remember that only department store bikes came with SRAM components ......
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I remember that only department store bikes came with SRAM components ......
I remember when only department store bikes came with Shimano.

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Originally Posted by leob1 View Post
Is there anyway to tell when the batteries need replacing? Or if they are dead?
It's easy to tell if they are dead.

Otherwise https://sram.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ar...ter-batteries-


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I just hope that when SRAM makes a mechanical 12 speed road group, the shifters will be compatible with the MTB RD for 1X12 drop bar MTB and gravel applications.
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I just hope that when SRAM makes a mechanical 12 speed road group, the shifters will be compatible with the MTB RD for 1X12 drop bar MTB and gravel applications.
As you know, mechanical road and MTB componients don't play well.

Personally, I don't recommend 1x11 (or 1x12) setups for gravel. Most friends who started with this combination either need to change the chainring several times a year (depending on the events planned) or have gone back to doubles. It's difficult to improve on a 46 & 33 combination with a 11-36 cassette. (yes, I mean 33, they are available for a 110 BCD crank)

But if a 1x12 with drop bars is the combination you seek, ​​​​​​and you want the the latest eTap technology: see...

https://launch.sram.com/en/axs/the-mullet-bike

(Sram) "recommend(s) combining a pair of AXS drop bar levers with an Eagle AXS rear derailleur, Eagle chain, 10-50t Eagle cassette, and your choice of either an Eagle or road AXS 1x crankset to build the raddest drop bar bike on the block".









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Originally Posted by leob1 View Post
Is there anyway to tell when the batteries need replacing? Or if they are dead?
The system connects to a Gramin. I have a 520 that reports the lowest batteries power It also flashes a warning when a battery gets really low. Plus, teh rear gets more shifts than the front, so runs down sooner. If that happens you just swap them. Or you can carry an extra battery. They are pretty small and light.
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The system connects to a Gramin. I have a 520 that reports the lowest batteries power It also flashes a warning when a battery gets really low. Plus, teh rear gets more shifts than the front, so runs down sooner. If that happens you just swap them. Or you can carry an extra battery. They are pretty small and light.
Curtis, I have E-Tap on my Guru Photon and I do carry an extra battery in my seat bag but the one time it was needed, it wasn't because a battery had run out of electricity. On a rather bumpy descent, the lower "nub" (for lack of a better word) on the battery broke off. No nub, no stay in derailluer. So . . . I pulled spare out of my seat bag, plugged it in and carried on, no problem!

The next morning I called SRAM and told the rep what had happened. He asked for the serial number off the broken battery then sent me a new battery, no charge.

Big picture, no complaints and happy with SRAM customer service!

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They may be on a roll, but it's a REALLY EXPENSIVE roll. With 4 (four) batteries. And "handcuff" two-handed front shifting. And with cassettes that won't fit your current wheels.

I wish them well. But SRAM is a long way from where they need to be for me to buy back in.
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Yes, two handed front shifting is an exceptionally horrible idea. What were they thinking? Product differentiation? PIA? Just because? What ever the reason, it is a very bad design/function decision.
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I just hope that when SRAM makes a mechanical 12 speed road group, the shifters will be compatible with the MTB RD for 1X12 drop bar MTB and gravel applications.
I wouldnít be surprised if they donít follow up with the mechanical version.

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Yes, two handed front shifting is an exceptionally horrible idea. What were they thinking? Product differentiation? PIA? Just because? What ever the reason, it is a very bad design/function decision.
Iím guessing here that youíve never tried it. I liked it so much that Iím probably retrofitting my Ultregra Di2 bike with eTap. Not the only reason but it is pretty intuitive shifting. Incidentally, most reviewers tend to think itís a pretty good idea. This has been around for what, 3 years now?

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Yes, two handed front shifting is an exceptionally horrible idea. What were they thinking? Product differentiation? PIA? Just because? What ever the reason, it is a very bad design/function decision.
My guess is that, like a lot of SRAM's quirky features, it's a work-around to keep from violating a Shimano or Campy patent. It was the best design not foreclosed by somebody else's patent rights. Being the third (or worse) company to design a particular part has its disadvantages.

On the other hand, if you work all day in a factory and are accustomed to two-hand safety interlock switches, it probably feels like home!
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My guess is that, like a lot of SRAM's quirky features, it's a work-around to keep from violating a Shimano or Campy patent. It was the best design not foreclosed by somebody else's patent rights. Being the third (or worse) company to design a particular part has its disadvantages.
This isnít new. That shifting pattern was introduced with the orginial eTap three years ago. Itís been pretty well accepted already (most reviewers liked it a lot).
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This isnít new. That shifting pattern was introduced with the orginial eTap three years ago. Itís been pretty well accepted already (most reviewers liked it a lot).
I don't think anyone said it was new. It's just something SRAM is stuck with until somebody else's patent expires.

And most reviewers like everything a lot. They want to sell advertising, after all. Do you really believe that stuff?
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I don't think anyone said it was new. It's just something SRAM is stuck with until somebody else's patent expires.

And most reviewers like everything a lot. They want to sell advertising, after all. Do you really believe that stuff?
Well, I have both an eTap and a Di2 bike so it’s easy for me to compare them. I like the eTap shifting so much, I’m considering switching out the Di2 for eTap now that the eTap Red is on sale everywhere. So, yeah, I believe the reviewers and I think they nailed it with regards to the eTap shifting strategy.

​​​​​​​Ergonomics of the shifting levers are much better with full finger gloves for winter riding too.




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"On the other hand, if you work all day in a factory and are accustomed to two-hand safety interlock switches, it probably feels like home!"

Lol. So very true!

"I’m guessing here that you’ve never tried it."

Unfortunately not only have I ridden with it, I set a bike up with it, which was when I first realized the two button shift was a bad idea. Takes two hands to shift the front which places the mechanic in an odd position to watch the shift action. Add to that the hassle of having to have both hands on the buttons to catch the big ring, it is just a bad idea from where I sit.

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