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Though the wheel was invented thousands of years back why did it take so long to inve
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They say the modern bicycle was invented only around 1800 plus though the wheel was invented thousands of years back. Why did it take so long for a natural evolution. Was it just the fear of balancing ?
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They say the modern bicycle was invented only around 1800 plus though the wheel was invented thousands of years back. Why did it take so long for a natural evolution. Was it just the fear of balancing ?
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'Safety Bicycle', around 1880. Mass production of precision lightweight chains may have been the limiting factor prior (just a guess). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_bicycle
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Primarily a lack of suitable self-propulsion I think. Gears have existed for a long time but they've always been heavy.
Early wheels were likely just fitted onto axles with grease and the propulsion was always external (horses, people).
To get a self propelled bicycle you need pedals and gears on something light enough to move fast enough to stay upright.
Other factors would be suspension and road surfaces - neither is a big deal if you're on a huge cart moving at 2mph.
Early wheels were likely just fitted onto axles with grease and the propulsion was always external (horses, people).
To get a self propelled bicycle you need pedals and gears on something light enough to move fast enough to stay upright.
Other factors would be suspension and road surfaces - neither is a big deal if you're on a huge cart moving at 2mph.
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I saw the article here last year that gave some theories on this, along with examples of some early human powered vehicles from as early as the 1400s but the author ends up believing that innovation happens in spurts and often economic conditions dictate when innovators have time to get inspired vs. just feeding and housing themselves and family.
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Leisure time. For centuries the concept that people could have time set aside to pursue a pastime was limited to the wealthy. Even today, most riding is leisure (fitness/sport/pleasure).
While some people commute to a workplace, those commuters are not lugging around hundreds of pounds of equipment needed for their trade.
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While some people commute to a workplace, those commuters are not lugging around hundreds of pounds of equipment needed for their trade.
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You certainly couldn't perform the same role with a bicycle as you could from a chariot.
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People would’ve been riding bicycles 1000 years ago, but they had not yet invented Lycra.
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More like over 20 mph! Ancient chariots reached 24 mph over gravel or cobblestones in those times.
https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.ed...history/birth/
Existing transport technology of the time would far surpass the performance of a bicycle if it could be built during the same period so there's absolutely no need for bicycles.
https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.ed...history/birth/
Existing transport technology of the time would far surpass the performance of a bicycle if it could be built during the same period so there's absolutely no need for bicycles.
Throughout the 1890s, racetracks from coast to coast held exhibition races between bicycles and horses. These races were typically held in relay, consisting of several laps around the track, sometimes over distances of 10 to even 30 miles. The jockeys were allowed to switch horses every half mile or mile, while the cyclists had to keep at it on a single bike. Even still, the results of these races varied from race to race, with the finishes always being incredibly close!
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Did anyone learn of the Industrial Revolution in school?
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Combination of need and technology... the first two wheeled vehicles had no drive train and came about during a brief famine in Europe when a lot of horses were eaten. These had their enthusiasts and eventually someone came up with the idea of the drive train.
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Basically this. Until the industrial revolution developing things like consistent wheel builds would be the issue, developing frame designs or cost of one off construction on a random item. Looking at the earliest bicycle designs they are clearly a shot in the dark at developing a concept but without industrialization such an item would be long and difficult to develop, things like chains require industrialization for any real consistent development which is why the earliest were basically kick bikes till they developed hubs with crank spindles. Even these couldn't be fully explored since who wants to plant their ass on a leather saddle with no rubber on the solid wood wheels. So rubber had to be developed in order to make them more comfortable to begin with, let alone making them safer over smoother surfaces. If industrialization went away so would the most basic fixie or singlespeed since we'd still need the tires.
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About 1840 a Scottish blacksmith put cranks through the front wheel...still wooden...so that the rider could propel the bike forward without the “running” part. But from pictures I’ve seen the wheel is about 24” in diameter which meant that it would have been slow even if the rider were pedaling like a demon was behind him. It likely still used the slip bearings from wagon wheels so it would have been a very hard slog to keep moving.
Wheels grew in size so that the rider could go faster but they were still made of wood and were heavy. In 1869, the wire wheel was invented and bicycles became significantly lighter. That started the first bike boom...the ordinary or penny farthing. The safety cycle came along in 1890 and that started a second bicycle boom.
Then cars came along and killed the whole industry for nearly 70 years.
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A little off-topic, but I don't think the wheel was ever literally invented. We may have evidence of it being used many thousands of years ago, but it was likely being used long before any historical records can be found.
Even rolling a heavy object over a log is a form of wheel and it couldn't have been long after that when a clever caveman realized if they stuck a smaller log through a hollow log, they could make use of it like a rolling pin, for example. Hence, the wheel.
Even rolling a heavy object over a log is a form of wheel and it couldn't have been long after that when a clever caveman realized if they stuck a smaller log through a hollow log, they could make use of it like a rolling pin, for example. Hence, the wheel.
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It is logical to assume that no one thought of a 2 wheel machine as being viable. First came the striders, and then when steering was put on a strider, someone realize by steering they could maintain a balance. The rest as they say is history. Too bad that it did take so long.
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Roads.
Without a pretty modern mountain bike setup, even the most modern metropolises of yesteryear would not have had good enough streets and roads for what they could have made back then.
Roads were muddy, rutted, covered in thick large planks. Even in cities, the cobbles weren't as worn and smooth as today. Today that's the result of 1000 years of wear and smoothing.
Without a pretty modern mountain bike setup, even the most modern metropolises of yesteryear would not have had good enough streets and roads for what they could have made back then.
Roads were muddy, rutted, covered in thick large planks. Even in cities, the cobbles weren't as worn and smooth as today. Today that's the result of 1000 years of wear and smoothing.
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More like over 20 mph! Ancient chariots reached 24 mph over gravel or cobblestones in those times.
https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.ed...history/birth/
Existing transport technology of the time would far surpass the performance of a bicycle if it could be built during the same period so there's absolutely no need for bicycles.
https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.ed...history/birth/
Existing transport technology of the time would far surpass the performance of a bicycle if it could be built during the same period so there's absolutely no need for bicycles.
Stagecoaches, for example, travel about 5 mph with frequent horse changes. Seldom would stagecoaches have run at the “hell bent for leather” pace portrayed in western movies.
The fastest horse driven messenger system, the Yam system developed by Genghis Khan, was able to move messages 120 to 190 miles per day but they changed horse and rider every 20 miles. And that distance was covered over 24 hours so the speed was 5 to 8 mph.
We silly little monkeys on our silly 2 wheel contraptions can far out perform a horse in terms of speed and distance. They may be faster over a shorter distance but we are faster over a longer distance. Even in the days of the ordinary, century rides had to be completed in 10 hours to win a medal. No single horse could probably do that distance at that speed.
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Roads.
Without a pretty modern mountain bike setup, even the most modern metropolises of yesteryear would not have had good enough streets and roads for what they could have made back then.
Roads were muddy, rutted, covered in thick large planks. Even in cities, the cobbles weren't as worn and smooth as today. Today that's the result of 1000 years of wear and smoothing.
Without a pretty modern mountain bike setup, even the most modern metropolises of yesteryear would not have had good enough streets and roads for what they could have made back then.
Roads were muddy, rutted, covered in thick large planks. Even in cities, the cobbles weren't as worn and smooth as today. Today that's the result of 1000 years of wear and smoothing.
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I replied, "I think you've got more horsepower!"
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We silly little monkeys on our silly 2 wheel contraptions can far out perform a horse in terms of speed and distance. They may be faster over a shorter distance but we are faster over a longer distance. Even in the days of the ordinary, century rides had to be completed in 10 hours to win a medal. No single horse could probably do that distance at that speed.
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Good point, but the thread is about bicycles IF invented thousands of years earlier so we can't compare to 19th or 20th century bicycles.
Sure we could probably think of a fast gravel bike using 500 B.C. technology but we have the hindsight of modern bicycle design and modern engineering principles. The best engineers of the period would do a lot worse if tasked to invent a bicycle.
Sure we could probably think of a fast gravel bike using 500 B.C. technology but we have the hindsight of modern bicycle design and modern engineering principles. The best engineers of the period would do a lot worse if tasked to invent a bicycle.
Most every thing that has been invented can only be invented when it is invented. The laufmaschine couldn’t have been invented without lightweight carriage wheels which were made possible by the industrial revolution. The crank on the front wheel couldn’t have been possible without the ball bearings that allowed machines to move more freely. The ordinary couldn’t have worked with carriage wheels...too heavy...and could only have been developed with wire spoked wheels.
In 500 B.C., the materials of construction simple were too heavy and didn’t move without enough friction for a bicycle to be possible. Di Vince may have been able to conceive of a bicycle type object but he simply didn’t have the materials to make it work. He conceived of a glider as well but, again, he just didn’t have the materials to make it reality.
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When we go back to humans as hunter/gatherers and its still true of modern aboriginals that live traditionally, we can out run horses in the long haul. Its what made us the superior hunter, we could run any prey to ground no matter how long the chase. I've got a friend who runs centuries, I wouldn't want to but its totally feasible.
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Arnold from Bedrock rode a bike, and that must have been thousands of years ago. So you're all wrong.
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Before maybe 1750 (just guessing here), most people lived close to where they worked, at a subsistence level. For the poor, horses were for farming and hauling, and for the rich, their drawbacks were somebody else's problem.
In my view the earliest bikes were not practical for real transportation, so they were toys for the affluent. Sure, the industrial revolution brought technology, but it also brought economic and social changes, sweeping more people into the cities, and gradually raising the overall level of affluence. The bicycle revolution consisted of turning it from a toy into a practical machine for the masses.
Here's an article about a disease that swept through the horse population in the US in 1872:
https://theconversation.com/how-a-fl...-horses-150052
In my view the earliest bikes were not practical for real transportation, so they were toys for the affluent. Sure, the industrial revolution brought technology, but it also brought economic and social changes, sweeping more people into the cities, and gradually raising the overall level of affluence. The bicycle revolution consisted of turning it from a toy into a practical machine for the masses.
Here's an article about a disease that swept through the horse population in the US in 1872:
https://theconversation.com/how-a-fl...-horses-150052
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