Lights: How bright is actually practical?
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I over buy so that I can run a light on medium or even low and get a ton of run time. Then when it’s truly dark and I need it I’m good.
So I definitely want the higher output but not for the reason you’d think. (I only have to re-charge every 3-4 rides I’d say.)
So I definitely want the higher output but not for the reason you’d think. (I only have to re-charge every 3-4 rides I’d say.)
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Aiming your lightas high blinds oncoming cars
I don't believe there is a practical limit to brightness as long as the beam is shaped and aimed properly.
Motor vehicle headlights drown out my bike lights as they approach from the rear. 1850 lumens on my bike is inconsequential compared to the thousands of lumens put out by modern automotive systems as a car passes.
It is certainly possible to buy a bicycle lighting system which overpowers automotive headlamps but this thread asked about practicality, not possiblity. Most would not consider such a system practical from either a cost or form factor standpoint.
Running 2000 lumens would be possible for under $250 - two Light & Motion Urban 1000 lights, one on the bar and another on the helmet. This is probably close to what many would consider the practical limit and the vast majority of automotive systems are much brighter. Certainly the OP's 700 lumen light is nowhere near the practical limit.
-Tim-
Motor vehicle headlights drown out my bike lights as they approach from the rear. 1850 lumens on my bike is inconsequential compared to the thousands of lumens put out by modern automotive systems as a car passes.
It is certainly possible to buy a bicycle lighting system which overpowers automotive headlamps but this thread asked about practicality, not possiblity. Most would not consider such a system practical from either a cost or form factor standpoint.
Running 2000 lumens would be possible for under $250 - two Light & Motion Urban 1000 lights, one on the bar and another on the helmet. This is probably close to what many would consider the practical limit and the vast majority of automotive systems are much brighter. Certainly the OP's 700 lumen light is nowhere near the practical limit.
-Tim-
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Must be a very personal thing. Bright enough for me is apparently a lot less than most people. I don't use a headlight for commuting since there is enough light for me to see where I'm going, and I honestly don't understand the need for a "be seen" headlight. I figure it's my job to avoid running into things. For road riding I have ridden thousands of miles in the dark with an Ixon IQ on low and have never really felt the need for anything brighter.
- Cars may pass me and encroach partially into their lane (hopefully they slow to allow the passing to complete safely).
- I'm in a turn lane about to make a turn (they are more aware that I am there).
- To give pause to drivers in the opposing lane that may be thinking about passing a slower vehicle via my lane.
- To alert a texting or otherwise distracted driver*
All of this of course is aspirational on my part as I have no control over drivers and what they may choose to do. But it is my way of reducing the risk in a manner within my control.
*I recently ran across a driver who was texting (I think) that looked up as they were drifting half way into my lane. They jerked the car back into their lane I believe in part due to the light.
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I currently ride with a Cygolite Metro 700. I have not had a whole lot of night-riding lately, but I remember doing a few a couple months back and thinking the light was quite awesome and did a good job of illuminating my path at it's nominal 700 lumen output.
Cygolite (and others) make even higher lumen lights, however - upwards of some 1,100 lumen in the Cygolite Metro 1100 (and other unknown brands seem to claim even higher than that on theirs). Between these two are plenty to choose from as well.
Is there much point into brighter lights than my current 700? Especially in the Metro line, having as it does the same relatively narrow emitter facing. A wider spread at a higher lumen (to maintain or improve lux) is understandable but not all of them appear to be so.
Cygolite (and others) make even higher lumen lights, however - upwards of some 1,100 lumen in the Cygolite Metro 1100 (and other unknown brands seem to claim even higher than that on theirs). Between these two are plenty to choose from as well.
Is there much point into brighter lights than my current 700? Especially in the Metro line, having as it does the same relatively narrow emitter facing. A wider spread at a higher lumen (to maintain or improve lux) is understandable but not all of them appear to be so.
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I ride a lot of rural, lightly traveled two lane roads in daylight and I use a front flashing front light to alert drivers in the opposing lane of possible scenarios such as...
- Cars may pass me and encroach partially into their lane (hopefully they slow to allow the passing to complete safely).
- I'm in a turn lane about to make a turn (they are more aware that I am there).
- To give pause to drivers in the opposing lane that may be thinking about passing a slower vehicle via my lane.
- To alert a texting or otherwise distracted driver*
- Cars may pass me and encroach partially into their lane (hopefully they slow to allow the passing to complete safely).
- I'm in a turn lane about to make a turn (they are more aware that I am there).
- To give pause to drivers in the opposing lane that may be thinking about passing a slower vehicle via my lane.
- To alert a texting or otherwise distracted driver*
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I have an over 1000lm helmet and an over 1000lm handlebar flashlight. They are adequate, but I never see myself running them at under 100%. Exception is if darkness surprises me far from home and I need to preserve battery. They only get an hour on 100%.
They are 2 years old, so if I needed to buy new now I'd hope to get at least 1,500lm.
I also would investigate larger than 18650 battery options for better run time.
They are 2 years old, so if I needed to buy new now I'd hope to get at least 1,500lm.
I also would investigate larger than 18650 battery options for better run time.
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You cut off the part of the post where I give a real life example where it likely did have a safety benefit. Oh well - to each their own..
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Same thing happens to me when I'm not running lights. Does my lack of a strobe light cause distracted drivers to suddenly pay attention to the road in front of them?
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My common sense tells me the more visible you are, the more likely you will be seen. That’s all. I don’t need a scientific study to tell me that. If you are comfortable without a light, that’s fine with me.
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i now ride with both the 200 and the 50 on the back of my bike. i did have to buy, my choice, what they describe as a seat stay mount to mount the second light. i bought it directly from Cygolite. the bracket was $5 and shipping i think was $9.
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i just bought a Cygolite 200 1 month ago, upgraded from a 50. it is sold with a crappy rubber band strap you wrap around something. the clip that holds the band is easily removable so i swapped the rear bracket to clip into the 50's seat tube bracket.. i also emailed Cygolite and explained i was unhappy with the bracket and wanted one just like the one on the 50. i took a pic of both brackets and included them in my email. under 24 hours later Cygolite wanted my address to send me a what they called a "clothing" bracket and they shipped it to me USPS no charge. i think i got the bracket in 5 days after sending my address.
i now ride with both the 200 and the 50 on the back of my bike. i did have to buy, my choice, what they describe as a seat stay mount to mount the second light. i bought it directly from Cygolite. the bracket was $5 and shipping i think was $9.
i now ride with both the 200 and the 50 on the back of my bike. i did have to buy, my choice, what they describe as a seat stay mount to mount the second light. i bought it directly from Cygolite. the bracket was $5 and shipping i think was $9.
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when i bought the 200 it had a bracket like this.
the 50 has a bracket like this
pic of the brackets removed. to remove the brackets you stick a small pick or a SMALL screwdriver in the gap around the tab in the center, lift it up a little bit, then push it to the side.
the light look like this after removing the brackets.
the little tab seen in the 3rd pic snaps into the center groove in the above pic.
i emailed Cygolite, they responded the next business day. they sent me another what they call a "CLOTHING" bracket. i do NOT have any part # for the clothing bracket. i must have tossed it when i used it.
i had the clothing bracket in a week, NO CHARGE, after sending them my ship address.
the 50 has a bracket like this
pic of the brackets removed. to remove the brackets you stick a small pick or a SMALL screwdriver in the gap around the tab in the center, lift it up a little bit, then push it to the side.
the light look like this after removing the brackets.
the little tab seen in the 3rd pic snaps into the center groove in the above pic.
i emailed Cygolite, they responded the next business day. they sent me another what they call a "CLOTHING" bracket. i do NOT have any part # for the clothing bracket. i must have tossed it when i used it.
i had the clothing bracket in a week, NO CHARGE, after sending them my ship address.
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pic of the seat post bracket from the 50. you can buy these directly from Cygolite for $5 + shipping if you don't already have one.
the arm on the 50 bracket in the pics above slides into the slot in the seat post bracket in this pic.
the arm on the 50 bracket in the pics above slides into the slot in the seat post bracket in this pic.
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just to clarify the above pic is a seat POST bracket.
this is a few pics of the seat STAY bracket, pn# 2013ss. the 2 look almost the same except the seat stay bracket clamp is much smaller. i bought the bracket for $5 + shipping. i bought 2 and had 1 ship charge.
according to the part #'s on the rear of the tag the seat POST bracket part # is 2014sm.
pic of the two brackets aligned up ready to slide together. .
pic of the 2 slid together almost to the retain catch on the bottom.
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this is a few pics of the seat STAY bracket, pn# 2013ss. the 2 look almost the same except the seat stay bracket clamp is much smaller. i bought the bracket for $5 + shipping. i bought 2 and had 1 ship charge.
according to the part #'s on the rear of the tag the seat POST bracket part # is 2014sm.
pic of the two brackets aligned up ready to slide together. .
pic of the 2 slid together almost to the retain catch on the bottom.
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My only complaint with the clip (vs the clamp) is that it slides free or nearly so a little too easily on its own. I usually hang it from the MOLLE strap on my backpack and it sometimes works itself nearly off when I'm just slinging the thing around.
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I used an 1100 lumen bike around London in the nights. It was pretty bright but believe it or not, a few times at cross roads, drivers literally missed me and just drove out so maybe it still wasn't blinding and bright enough...