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Old 08-22-20, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Now you got me started on a day last year on tour in Montana. It was a drizzly, chilly, foggy morning on a high speed road in the middle of nowhere with a relatively narrow shoulder. I’m concentrating on the task at hand, which includes watching for potholes and road debris along with any large critters that might wander out of the woods. Totally in a zone. Out of nowhere comes the alpha male on an organized bike tour who passes me fast and close and says something just as he’s almost shoulder even. I shouted several expletives and literally wished he would crash. You just don’t do that.

Later, a few other people with the tour spooked me like that. I finally got so pissed I explained to one guy that if I and my fully loaded bike were to get in an entanglement, physics would probably make me the victor.
Calling our and waving are different. You have to be situationally aware and considerate. I cannot imagine a situation in which a wave would be wrong. A call maybe. I will call out every time I pass someone. I would expect them to want to know I am coming. And I want them to know I am coming.
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Which one?
If you gotta ask.....
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I rode motorcycles my whole life and when passing others we always gave a low wave out of a sense of camaraderie. Too many idiots today don't even know what camaraderie is and yet it still seems rude on a bicycle when passing on-comers that don't acknowledge back. Snobs!
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I ride motorcycles too and do the low wave. My first motorcycle wave was a high wave and I quickly found out why the low wave is preferred at motorcycles speeds.
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I live in a small town--nearly all cyclists and about a quarter of oncoming cars and trucks initiate a wave.
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
Calling our and waving are different. You have to be situationally aware and considerate. I cannot imagine a situation in which a wave would be wrong. A call maybe. I will call out every time I pass someone. I would expect them to want to know I am coming. And I want them to know I am coming.

For me, announcing on a path is necessary unless it's a really wide one. On roads, it depends. If I'm way over in the lane and a bicyclist is several feet over on the shoulder, I find people get confused about what I expect them to do, which is basically nothing.
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Originally Posted by aRoudy1
I live in a small town--nearly all cyclists and about a quarter of oncoming cars and trucks initiate a wave.

I live in a small city with an inordinate number of inebriate low-lifes driving big black pickup trucks.
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
I am a big waver. I wave at everybody. Cars, bikes, pedestrians, motorcycles even dogs. Most people return the wave with varying degrees of enthusiasm.
Why do you hate cows? They appreciate a friendly wave too. Dang cowists.
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Old 08-22-20, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
For me, announcing on a path is necessary unless it's a really wide one. On roads, it depends. If I'm way over in the lane and a bicyclist is several feet over on the shoulder, I find people get confused about what I expect them to do, which is basically nothing.
Agree you have to be situationally aware and use some common sense.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
Why do you hate cows? They appreciate a friendly wave too. Dang cowists.
Yes, I should be more considerate of cows.
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Old 08-22-20, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
I cannot imagine a situation in which a wave would be wrong. A call maybe. I will call out every time I pass someone. I would expect them to want to know I am coming. And I want them to know I am coming.
A. Try handling a loaded touring bike descending a mountain pass at 40 mph when someone coming up hill at 6 mph waves at you. I’m not taking my hands off the bars to wave back. For self preservation, I’m paying full attention to the task.

B. Letting someone know you are COMING is one thing. Saying something in their ear when you are even with them is another. Guess you can’t grasp the difference or maybe have reading comprehension issues.

It’s as if you have little or no cycling experience whatsoever. Definitely time to supplement the iggy list.
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Old 08-22-20, 06:32 PM
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My Southern roots compel me to wave or at least lift fingers off the bar in friendly acknowledgement. It would be an act against God not to.
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Old 08-22-20, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
A. Try handling a loaded touring bike descending a mountain pass at 40 mph when someone coming up hill at 6 mph waves at you. I’m not taking my hands off the bars to wave back. For self preservation, I’m paying full attention to the task.

B. Letting someone know you are COMING is one thing. Saying something in their ear when you are even with them is another. Guess you can’t grasp the difference or maybe have reading comprehension issues.

It’s as if you have little or no cycling experience whatsoever. Definitely time to supplement the iggy list.

In fairness, I couldn't tell whether your complaint was he said something too late or that he said anything at all, and I think my reading comprehension is ok. TBH, the alpha male close pass at high speed is going to be the thing that sets me off, talking or silent.

I won't wave on a fast downhill, but I might tip my head a little. Kind of the same thing. Doubt I'd even notice the bike on the other side of the road if I'm going that fast.
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Old 08-22-20, 10:40 PM
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I wave to the opposing riders as they come my way. I find that 60 to 70% of time the riders will wave back. Like livedarklions I don't wave when going downhill.

Oh, and I do say hi to the wildlife (horses, cows, goats, etc.) that I pass. Sometimes I'll wave too.
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Old 08-22-20, 11:57 PM
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North Central Texan here too. Most cyclists seem okay. I don't expect everyone to wave. Sometimes I'm focused on the road conditions and traffic, so I may overlook a passing cyclist. Not a snub. I expect other cyclists will be paying more attention to their own ride than mine.

I'm more likely to wave at every jogger and pedestrian I encounter. Or neighbors in their yards. I already know cyclists are weirdos. I'm just trying to reassure the normies.
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Old 08-23-20, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NoWhammies
I wave to the opposing riders as they come my way. I find that 60 to 70% of time the riders will wave back. Like livedarklions I don't wave when going downhill.

Oh, and I do say hi to the wildlife (horses, cows, goats, etc.) that I pass. Sometimes I'll wave too.
Wild cows?
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Old 08-23-20, 05:13 AM
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Since I mainly ride my trike here in town, it make it very easy to wave, as I usually do. I wave at cyclist and walkers alike.
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I check in on BF every so often, to make sure that waving is still of great concern.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Wild cows?
Wild in that they are in the field, either before or after being milked.
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Wild in that they are in the field, either before or after being milked.

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Wrong, that's the mythological event leading up to the Velopenesian War. The truth is that was actually caused by the interception and decoding of the Bontrager Memorandum.
Wait a minute. I thought the Velopenesian War was that minor skirmish between WW1 and WW2 where France and Italy couldn't agree on non-conflicting scheduling for their national races, Le Tour and the Giro, respectively (Spain was neutral and didn't care when their Vuelta was to be scheduled). It was settled when the British Prime Minister and German Chancellor met with the two sides in Munich and came up with the Bontrager Memorandum (remember the famous saying "Pace in our Time"?). Unfortunately the agreement fell apart, everybody took sides, and WW2 broke out in September 1939, causing all the races to be cancelled for the next 4 years.

Darn, this history stuff gets more complex all the time!
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^nevill chamberlain had a helluva palmares at his local velodrome and regional one-days. who knew?
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Originally Posted by Sorg67
Calling our and waving are different. You have to be situationally aware and considerate. I cannot imagine a situation in which a wave would be wrong. A call maybe. I will call out every time I pass someone. I would expect them to want to know I am coming. And I want them to know I am coming.
How do you overtake them?

Maybe I am doing it too dangerous, but I usually look behind me to see if a car is there, if not I just go one the road and overtake the cyclist on the cycling lane. Often though I still don't go that far onto the road so that a car could also still overtake me just by going slightly into the oncoming lane (obviously if no car is coming). But here there's too many cyclists, and no one calls, it would be super awkward to call out.
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Old 08-24-20, 01:19 PM
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I guess we haven't had a waving thread for a couple of weeks; so this was overdue.

I'm not particularly unfriendly, but I don't feel any need to wave to strangers as if I know them, just because they're on a bike. I don't want them to think I want to be friends, in case they're an axe-murderer or on their way to a cannibal convention.
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Very Nice.
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