Changing freehub from Shimano to Campagnolo
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Changing freehub from Shimano to Campagnolo
I have a weird project. I've been given some nice 650B rims, and I want to rebuild the rear wheel. I want a cassette hub that accepts 10-speed Campagnolo cassettes. The obvious choice is Campagnolo, but it would be nice if there is a cheaper option. Which hubs can have the type of freehub changed?
If this is not a cost-effective project, I'll rethink it.
If this is not a cost-effective project, I'll rethink it.
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If your looking at Campag, Record is currently your only option, as they have all but gotten out of the hub business.
For freehubs which you can swap out - Novatec, Hope, Chris King, getting more expensive all the time, what your asking is pretty uncommon, 10 speed Campag is just about dead (althought the freehub design is still current with 12 speed) most swapable freehubs are now done around the SRAM XD and Shimano Cassette spec freehubs, with Campag being an outlier.
For freehubs which you can swap out - Novatec, Hope, Chris King, getting more expensive all the time, what your asking is pretty uncommon, 10 speed Campag is just about dead (althought the freehub design is still current with 12 speed) most swapable freehubs are now done around the SRAM XD and Shimano Cassette spec freehubs, with Campag being an outlier.
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Try to find an older Campy cassette hub either NOS or used in good condition. As Jim noted, Campy is all but out of the individual hub business with Record being the only current one still available new.
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How many holes in the rims? I found this, If it is too expensive, keep in mind that if you buy a cheaper hub and have to change the cassette body it could end costing just as much.
https://www.starbike.com/en/campagnolo-record-hub/
Miche sells hubs and they are available in Campagnolo compatible versions
https://www.starbike.com/en/campagnolo-record-hub/
Miche sells hubs and they are available in Campagnolo compatible versions
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MIche hub would be an options chain reaction $87 (uk) site Miche Primato Pair of Road Hubs AW17 | Chain Reaction Cycles sxcgCo1D9_dc pcrid 253668879799 pkw pmt prd 606706US
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I would suggest Miche as well too.
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Excellent information. Thank you!
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There's also campagnolo spaced cassettes that fit on Shimano hubs.
Search for " IRD Conversion cassette" and Ambrosio also make one. I seem to remember Miche also made them but you had to swap the spacers between the cogs. Wheels Manufacturing also modified Shimano Ultegra cassettes to Campy spacing but it wasn't cheap. Or you can do what I've done (on both 9 & 10 spd) and modify the campy shifters to pull less cable per shift and run complete Shimano der and cassettes but that's a whole other procedure.
Search for " IRD Conversion cassette" and Ambrosio also make one. I seem to remember Miche also made them but you had to swap the spacers between the cogs. Wheels Manufacturing also modified Shimano Ultegra cassettes to Campy spacing but it wasn't cheap. Or you can do what I've done (on both 9 & 10 spd) and modify the campy shifters to pull less cable per shift and run complete Shimano der and cassettes but that's a whole other procedure.
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There's also campagnolo spaced cassettes that fit on Shimano hubs.
Search for " IRD Conversion cassette" and Ambrosio also make one. I seem to remember Miche also made them but you had to swap the spacers between the cogs. Wheels Manufacturing also modified Shimano Ultegra cassettes to Campy spacing but it wasn't cheap. Or you can do what I've done (on both 9 & 10 spd) and modify the campy shifters to pull less cable per shift and run complete Shimano der and cassettes but that's a whole other procedure.
Search for " IRD Conversion cassette" and Ambrosio also make one. I seem to remember Miche also made them but you had to swap the spacers between the cogs. Wheels Manufacturing also modified Shimano Ultegra cassettes to Campy spacing but it wasn't cheap. Or you can do what I've done (on both 9 & 10 spd) and modify the campy shifters to pull less cable per shift and run complete Shimano der and cassettes but that's a whole other procedure.
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I'm open to various suggestions, really. The conversion cassette is $180, so forget that. If it were not so expensive, I could use a Shimano or Shimano compatible hub. I may even have one lying around. I have lots of parts. This bike (a Lemond) has a Campagnolo drivetrain. One thing I'm considering is swapping the drivetrains and wheels with my McLean which has a Shimano drivetrain. Then I could build my new rear wheel with Shimano.
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Here is one suggestion: Maybe you should look through your spare parts to see if you have a Shimano compatible hub that can be converted to a Campagnolo cassette body. The downside is that cassette bodies can be a bit pricy. Of course you can't do this with a Shimano hub
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Repeating mysellf but this seems cheapest option
cheaper UK options.... can't vouch for sellers
$59 https://www.jejamescycles.com/miche-...hoCXCYQAvD_BwE
I have ordered from chain reaction (full 105 gruoup) and ribble (tubular tires) with no problems
$87 chain reaction Miche Primato Pair of Road Hubs AW17 | Chain Reaction Cycles
also in us there is velomine
$129 MICHE RACING BOX HUBS 32h for CAMPAGNOLO 9 10 11 SPEED [1003D10520000] - $129.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
cheaper UK options.... can't vouch for sellers
$59 https://www.jejamescycles.com/miche-...hoCXCYQAvD_BwE
I have ordered from chain reaction (full 105 gruoup) and ribble (tubular tires) with no problems
$87 chain reaction Miche Primato Pair of Road Hubs AW17 | Chain Reaction Cycles
also in us there is velomine
$129 MICHE RACING BOX HUBS 32h for CAMPAGNOLO 9 10 11 SPEED [1003D10520000] - $129.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
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Thanks, @squirtdad. That price seems too good to be true, from an unknown seller. Let me see what I can find out about them.
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My Easton wheels have a Campy freehub and I believe they are easily swappable if you can find just the hub.
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OK, I am going to go back to the original post. You have a pair of really nice 650B rims. You want to build wheels using them. Do you have a suitable front hub? How many holes in the rims? As far as I can see this information has not been provided. Hub suggestions that don't match the rims will not help you. I have made a suggestion, but I don't know if it works for you
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Thanks for your help, and sorry I haven't filled in everything. The rims are not "really nice." But I think they're good enough, and I'd like to save the expense of buying new rims for now. Right now, they are a pair of complete wheels. My idea is to put them on my Lemond which currently has 700c tires that measure 27mm in diameter. I tried 29mm tires, but there was only 1mm of clearance between the seat tube and the tire. The bike has a harsh ride. Or maybe I'm just not used to narrow tires any more. The rear wheel has a freewheel hub. I got a pair of long reach brakes, so I'll put the wheels on and go for a ride, even though the shifting won't be right. If that works OK, I'll think about it further. In fact, if it doesn't work OK, there will be stuff to think about.
The front wheel is complete and suitable, so nothing to do there.
The fact that the rims are 36h is a slightly limiting factor, since hubs aren't available in that spec as much any more.
I have another bike, a McLean (rare collector's item) that has a Shimano drivetrain and 700c wheels. Another possibility is to move the 700c wheels and drivetrain from the Lemond to the McLean. Then I can use the Shimano drivetrain on the Lemond, which makes solving the puzzle a little easier. But it's work I'd rather not do, because I have such a hard time putting cables into brifters for some reason.
Another idea is to build a pair of 650b wheels with new 32h rims. It's an expense I'm trying to avoid, but my tests may prove it to be worth doing.
My Lemond:
My McLean:
The front wheel is complete and suitable, so nothing to do there.
The fact that the rims are 36h is a slightly limiting factor, since hubs aren't available in that spec as much any more.
I have another bike, a McLean (rare collector's item) that has a Shimano drivetrain and 700c wheels. Another possibility is to move the 700c wheels and drivetrain from the Lemond to the McLean. Then I can use the Shimano drivetrain on the Lemond, which makes solving the puzzle a little easier. But it's work I'd rather not do, because I have such a hard time putting cables into brifters for some reason.
Another idea is to build a pair of 650b wheels with new 32h rims. It's an expense I'm trying to avoid, but my tests may prove it to be worth doing.
My Lemond:
My McLean:
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Good to know all this, and thanks for the update. Is it your Lemond that has a Campagnolo drivetrain? I ask because those are not 10 speed shifters. Unless they are lower end than Athena. 11 speed could open up certain options
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I met a guy who had built a Campagnolo-spaced cassette on a Shimano freehub by using spacers at the right widths. That sounds like too much trouble, no?
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If it were me I'd not kludge it and would buy a Campy specific freehub. Most higher end options can be ordered with a Campy freehub body like DT etc. I'd probably look for a NOS or used Campy hub--remember that 9/10/11/12 all use the same freehub. Hubs-F162SB-11 is a good deal--Novatec hubs are decent, and it happens to be light.
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Do that once, and it'd be good for 3 years or so on my primary bike. Then it's another 15 minutes of pfaffing to transfer the spacers to the new cassette. Is 5 minutes/year too much trouble?
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Once I know what I need and have it, you're right. I'm assuming it would take a while to figure what I need, but maybe I'm just worrying too much. Maybe this is the best path for me. So the next thing (after my aforementioned test) would be to get a 36h Shimano hub.
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The problem is, Campag don't make hubs anymore, except for Record, and then you getting into high-end territory, there aren't that many third party options around, most are expensive (good luck in finding any NOS campag hubs, in Europe they either don't exist, or sellers want ridiculous amounts for low-end ones), the Miche one which has been suggested by several probably one of the cheapest, and looks pretty decent, for the seller, JEJames aren't my LBS but have been to them several times, as they are about 40 mins from where I live, good shop, been around for years