Paid AUD$100 for this Bike’s Components, But the Frame is Intriguing...
02-15-21, 06:13 AM
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Paid AUD$100 for this Bike’s Components, But the Frame is Intriguing...
Picked up this small frame (50cm ST, 54cm TT) in Sydney, Australia this morning as I wanted the parts (Campag Super Record Derailleur, Campag Victory Front Derailleur, Shimano 600 53-42 Chainring and Crank) and was blinded by the Colnago Headset Bling!!
However, after a quick wipe down, I’m looking at the frame (loving the “fastback” seat stays) and its lug work and wondering what the frame is??
The only clues are Columbus Front/Rear Droupouts and a Bocama (BCM) Bb Shell. No serial numbers and no decals.
Anyone offer any insights??
However, after a quick wipe down, I’m looking at the frame (loving the “fastback” seat stays) and its lug work and wondering what the frame is??
The only clues are Columbus Front/Rear Droupouts and a Bocama (BCM) Bb Shell. No serial numbers and no decals.
Anyone offer any insights??
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02-15-21, 07:44 AM
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That is a beauty.
We didn't get a shot of the seat stays. The fork and crown look like my Medici's.
We didn't get a shot of the seat stays. The fork and crown look like my Medici's.
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That's a nice machine wearing some nice parts- but yet conflicted about its place in the universe.
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Bocama shell, Columbus ends, we would assume tubes also. that seat cluster is really unique, while I don't feel the treatment at the forks or stays is, necessarily.
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S/N?
Looks like some "hobo" paint and overspray, something going on with the front end from here.
Looks like some "hobo" paint and overspray, something going on with the front end from here.
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Great buy!!!!!
No idea about the frame, but it looks like very nice one. Well bought - that is a steal!!!
No idea about the frame, but it looks like very nice one. Well bought - that is a steal!!!
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02-15-21, 02:44 PM
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02-15-21, 02:48 PM
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Couple more shots....
It also has a similar resemblance to this Frank Peckam build.
Frank Peckham frame set
It also has a similar resemblance to this Frank Peckam build.
Frank Peckham frame set
02-15-21, 03:12 PM
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This headset is so cool. Never seen them before, to be honest I didn’t even know they were a thing?? Anyone know the back story behind them and why Campagnolo allowed them to exist??
02-18-21, 04:14 AM
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Is your alloy or steel? The images of the alloy headset on Velobase aren't as clear.
Is there any reason you think your headset is Campagnolo?
Yes, very cool headset. I'm assuming the lock nut and possibly the upper race aren't part of the set not being gold?
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There are two Colnago headsets on Velobase, one alloy 'Super Record' and one steel 'Record'. The font on the steel headset doesn't look like yours and it's certainly not gold. There's a possibility it was made by F.T. Bologna: VeloBase.com - Component: Colnago ("record", steel)
Is your alloy or steel? The images of the alloy headset on Velobase aren't as clear.
Is there any reason you think your headset is Campagnolo?
Yes, very cool headset. I'm assuming the lock nut and possibly the upper race aren't part of the set not being gold?
Is your alloy or steel? The images of the alloy headset on Velobase aren't as clear.
Is there any reason you think your headset is Campagnolo?
Yes, very cool headset. I'm assuming the lock nut and possibly the upper race aren't part of the set not being gold?
Yes, locknut is a Tange Falcon.
I’ll take it off and give all a clean up. So difficult when there is limited info.
02-20-21, 12:17 AM
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You put me on the right track last night P!N20 whilst researching F T Bologna. Found reference to the Lega Leggera headset that they manufactured and I think we have match!!
02-20-21, 12:19 PM
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Frame has enough European bits to point to that as place of origin (and "Europe" is a big territory), but would help to check the steerer for rifling and provide the seat post size so maybe get closer to IDing the tubing. Strange way to achieve a fastback seat cluster: are the stay tops merged into existing "ears" on a seat lug, or were the ears added onto that lug, too? The ears look "chunkier" than normal.
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Frame has enough European bits to point to that as place of origin (and "Europe" is a big territory), but would help to check the steerer for rifling and provide the seat post size so maybe get closer to IDing the tubing. Strange way to achieve a fastback seat cluster: are the stay tops merged into existing "ears" on a seat lug, or were the ears added onto that lug, too? The ears look "chunkier" than normal.
My knowledge doesn’t extend to “rifling” when checking the steerer, would you mind explaining a little more? (⚠️Newbie Steel Enthusiast Alert⚠️).
02-20-21, 10:48 PM
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Hmmm, also interesting insofar that it would be the correct size seat post for metric DB tubing (such as 531, Columbus SL or even Vitus). I don't have a good photo to show, but there are some that have been posted that show this 'very clearly": if you remove the front wheel and flip the frame so you can look "up" (now "down) at the base of the steerer, that is the bottom of the fork crown, you may see the signs of internal ribbing INSIDE the steerer's base (for Columbus it will be 5 ridges, they are not fat or pronounced but they "spiral" like a rifle barrel). Take a look, and take a close-up pic if you can
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Hmmm, also interesting insofar that it would be the correct size seat post for metric DB tubing (such as 531, Columbus SL or even Vitus). I don't have a good photo to show, but there are some that have been posted that show this 'very clearly": if you remove the front wheel and flip the frame so you can look "up" (now "down) at the base of the steerer, that is the bottom of the fork crown, you may see the signs of internal ribbing INSIDE the steerer's base (for Columbus it will be 5 ridges, they are not fat or pronounced but they "spiral" like a rifle barrel). Take a look, and take a close-up pic if you can
From the fork crown end....
From the top of the steerer...
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Focus is a bit off but I don't see any "riffling" there, possibly one weld-seam, so at least the steerer is not Columbus (SL), also that crown looks more like either a Haden (British) or one of the Tange or Ishiwata crowns that copied it. There were probably others, but it's not a common Italian crown (or French either) AFAIK. One more thing you could do is accurately measure the OD (outer diameter) of the 3 main tubes which would help confirm the tubing is either metric standard or not. Best to use a caliper, digital if you have it.
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Focus is a bit off but I don't see any "riffling" there, possibly one weld-seam, so at least the steerer is not Columbus (SL), also that crown looks more like either a Haden (British) or one of the Tange or Ishiwata crowns that copied it. There were probably others, but it's not a common Italian crown (or French either) AFAIK. One more thing you could do is accurately measure the OD (outer diameter) of the 3 main tubes which would help confirm the tubing is either metric standard or not. Best to use a caliper, digital if you have it.
I realised in the end when you said the pictures were out of focus what you were looking for. Definitely no riffling, so yes not Columbus SL. I agree on the Crown Fork (Haden Industries or copies).
Ussing digital calipers the frame widths taken in the centre of the tubing were:
Top Tube: 24.8
Down Tube: 28.2
Seat Tube: 28.2
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There's a little "tolerance" since paint is involved but based on "closest to" standard measurements I think you have Metric (versus Imperial) tubing here, which points to more likely Continental European built but usually NOT Italy. However there are exceptions to any rule. You still have a mystery, here, and need a better sleuth than ME! 
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