Help Let me know what frame you think this is. SOLVED!
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That's how I feel. I spend most of my online time avoiding videos, life pasts by too fast already.
I understand you're trying to make a video based website but I think an explanation in text is best suited for the forum.
I understand you're trying to make a video based website but I think an explanation in text is best suited for the forum.
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Continuation of this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...you-think.html
I wouldn't ride him so hard for this. Original thread title really didn't say much about Mark, and it is genuinely interesting history.
-Kurt
I wouldn't ride him so hard for this. Original thread title really didn't say much about Mark, and it is genuinely interesting history.
-Kurt
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Well, it's partially solved in that Marinoni has been confirmed as the source. However, Mount states Marinoini only built them for one year, either 1978 or 1979, but the subject frame has a 1981 serial number. Mount's frame uses a different shell and the 'M' cutout has the traditional orientation, suggesting the two frames are at least different production lots. It would be interesting to know the serial number on his frame. I didn't notice it in the video.
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God Bless.
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Continuation of this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...you-think.html
I wouldn't ride him so hard for this. Original thread title really didn't say much about Mark, and it is genuinely interesting history.
-Kurt
I wouldn't ride him so hard for this. Original thread title really didn't say much about Mark, and it is genuinely interesting history.
-Kurt
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Well, it's partially solved in that Marinoni has been confirmed as the source. However, Mount states Marinoini only built them for one year, either 1978 or 1979, but the subject frame has a 1981 serial number. Mount's frame uses a different shell and the 'M' cutout has the traditional orientation, suggesting the two frames are at least different production lots. It would be interesting to know the serial number on his frame. I didn't notice it in the video.
The story continues?
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We'll see what happens. It belongs to my friend Greg. He's in charge.
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Possibly three things might happen with this bicycle. First, Repaint to Silver with AMF decals (that have to be fabricated) Second, Mark Gorski is being contacted to see if he would like his old frame back, Third, repaint with Marinoni decals. Well possibly a fourth. Greg may sell it.
We'll see what happens. It belongs to my friend Greg. He's in charge.
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We'll see what happens. It belongs to my friend Greg. He's in charge.
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I think that you are talking about MATT Gorski not MARK Gorski.
Matt Giorski is well known and highly respected in the SoCal classic bike scene.
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I think that you are talking about MATT Gorski not MARK Gorski.
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I just think that either Mount got his dates or wrong or Marinoni made them for more that one year.
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Possibly three things might happen with this bicycle. First, Repaint to Silver with AMF decals (that have to be fabricated) Second, Mark Gorski is being contacted to see if he would like his old frame back, Third, repaint with Marinoni decals. Well possibly a fourth. Greg may sell it.
We'll see what happens. It belongs to my friend Greg. He's in charge.
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We'll see what happens. It belongs to my friend Greg. He's in charge.
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The subtilty of those rack eyelets suggests to me a build where someone wanted to hide the "potential touring" aspect of this frame, and thus seemed as if they may be original. Not to mention it would have been a bear to cut those two holes from the inside with the seatstays on - unless the whole tube was drilled and then re-capped on the outside edge.
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Do we know for sure that these weren't subtle features added to the frame by Marinoni on request?
The subtilty of those rack eyelets suggests to me a build where someone wanted to hide the "potential touring" aspect of this frame, and thus seemed as if they may be original. Not to mention it would have been a bear to cut those two holes from the inside with the seatstays on - unless the whole tube was drilled and then re-capped on the outside edge.
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The subtilty of those rack eyelets suggests to me a build where someone wanted to hide the "potential touring" aspect of this frame, and thus seemed as if they may be original. Not to mention it would have been a bear to cut those two holes from the inside with the seatstays on - unless the whole tube was drilled and then re-capped on the outside edge.
-Kurt
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I think that you are talking about MATT Gorski not MARK Gorski.
Matt Giorski is well known and highly respected in the SoCal classic bike scene.
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I think that you are talking about MATT Gorski not MARK Gorski.
Matt Giorski is well known and highly respected in the SoCal classic bike scene.
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It's not a very commonly used shell but not rare one, either. There were ones with the full name ("Chierici") and others with only the logo cast in them (more common).
I've seen these on bikes labeled Patelli, Tommasini, Charly (Marseilles), Rossi (Povolaro), Krapf (made by Losa), Melchioretto, even a Marastoni, among others. The interesting bit here is that this is the first time I've seen a Chierici shell used on a bike not made in Italy.
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Excellent work on the BB shell identity (as usual)MauriceMoss ! Welcome back, we had not heard from you for awhile!
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Merged together both threads about this wonderful bike.
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Lets see what they have to say.
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I heard back from Marinoni. I emailed them and they confirmed that it's one of theirs however they also said it was from 1981!
Just an FYI
Thanks
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Just an FYI
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Thanks for clearing up that "mystery".
US Olympic Team member and Pro Cyclist George Mount was a SF Bay Area cycling fixture for many years. He was also somewhat active in the local Classic Rendezvous group and as such knows Matt Gorski a well known classic bike collector from SoCal.
A number of years back, Peter Rich, owner of Velo Sport in Berkeley CA had a black and peacock Marinoni frame on display for some time. It was my size and when I finally went in to pop for it, the frame was gone.
I mention this because George mount had a close connection with Peter Rich and Velo Sport. I don't know how long Peter Rich was involved with Marinoni but many connections in cycling aren't what they appear to be on the surface.
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US Olympic Team member and Pro Cyclist George Mount was a SF Bay Area cycling fixture for many years. He was also somewhat active in the local Classic Rendezvous group and as such knows Matt Gorski a well known classic bike collector from SoCal.
A number of years back, Peter Rich, owner of Velo Sport in Berkeley CA had a black and peacock Marinoni frame on display for some time. It was my size and when I finally went in to pop for it, the frame was gone.
I mention this because George mount had a close connection with Peter Rich and Velo Sport. I don't know how long Peter Rich was involved with Marinoni but many connections in cycling aren't what they appear to be on the surface.
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That confirms what we already knew but doesn't resolve Mount's statement. Either he got his 1977-1978 dates wrong or contrary to his statement, Marinoni built frames for AMF for more than one year. The S/N on Mount's frame should provide the answer. Unfortunately, the S/N wasn't visible in the photos.
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Excellent work on the BB shell identity (as usual)MauriceMoss ! Welcome back, we had not heard from you for awhile!
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