Are IGH a good idea?
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I think we've been over this before, and when we did, I wasn't the only one to point out your utter lack of understanding regarding the Alfine, (or most others) and why you don't need a purpose built frame. Or why amongst the dozens of limitations the Shimano lawyers put on the Alfine in the fine print, not a single one of them is "Alfine will only function properly on a frame specifically engineered to run the Alfine." It's why Shimano, a company that will state marginal cross-compatibility with warnings of bloody death for groups that are highly cross-compatible, makes a variety of fitments to allow the Alfine to fit darn near any frame.
The only specification is that the spacing needs to be 135mm in back.
The only specification is that the spacing needs to be 135mm in back.
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they don't, just need a 135 rear spread..
Rohloff Retrofit (5th chapter) PG 65 of my manual.. long torque arm + the chain tensioner .. Not featured but available...
lets the hub fit frames with wide enough rear dropouts.. even vertical dropout.
External shift box is housed cables all the way to the grip shifter..
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Rohloff Retrofit (5th chapter) PG 65 of my manual.. long torque arm + the chain tensioner .. Not featured but available...
lets the hub fit frames with wide enough rear dropouts.. even vertical dropout.
External shift box is housed cables all the way to the grip shifter..
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At its most basic, a strap like a coaster brake has works,
but being German they have a tool free push button released part you use small hose clamps around the chainstay , to secure it..
Cycle Monkey in Richmond Cal is also the USA wholesale and Service center for Rohloff DE.
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I wonder if any of the participants from '08 and '10 are still around to update with their experiences with internal gear hubs?
I think they are a great idea, but the drawbacks of slightly less efficiency and more weight, and the compromise of fewer gears, has always put me off from seriously considering it.
I think they are a great idea, but the drawbacks of slightly less efficiency and more weight, and the compromise of fewer gears, has always put me off from seriously considering it.
Recently worked on some Gazelle (German "Dutch" bike ). IGH, Shimano Roller brakes, enclosed chain (weather and trouser protection). Those things are HEAVY. Especially the steel framed one. They are highly practical for commuting: front and rear basket mounts, center stand (so the bike stays upright), mechanism for increased friction on the steerer, so the front wheel stays put when the bike is parked (it doesn't lock it up, so if you forget to loosen it before riding, you won't fall, just feel the friction). Parts that are not prone to damage when parked in a pile/crowded bike parking (like bicycle brake disc and RDs are). Brakes that don't care if it's rain, snow, or sun - just (let the mechanic) lube them once a year.
Those bikes are not good for hills, the drum brakes, IGH and weight all work against that, but for Amsterdam, Novi Sad etc - perfect. However, if there was any reason to remove a wheel and change a tube (can be patched without the wheel removal, but I prefer to just swap a tube when on the road) - it's a big bother IMO and experience.
They still work for most users - usually Schwalbe Marathon tyre equipped from the factory.
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Another + for Rohloff the CC axle is hollow QR, the External shifter is held on with a thumbwheel , captive bolt.
they're 10 reduction gears, only 3 overdrive gears..
Gazelle is in Dieren NL...
they're 10 reduction gears, only 3 overdrive gears..
Gazelle is in Dieren NL...
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I see you have the same luck I have getting flats at opportune times.
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I bought a BF pakiT last summer with an RF-4 & belt drive - so far, so good! I like it. The shifts are consistent and there's no low-hanging derailleur or chain to drag in the mud and dust.
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There are a ton of IGH bikes on the market in the USA, mostly on cruisers and town bikes where they make perfect sense. But they do have a price premium over single speeds and 7-speed Tourney
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Maybe that's the case with the bike you worked on (especially with a chain protector), but that's not typical of IGH's in general. On a Rohloff with an external mesh, for example, its a thumb screw to remove the shifting mechanism, a quick release to remove the wheel (no tools, 10 seconds). Its as quick and easy as my front wheel. On my Alfine bike, its equally easy except the shifter detachment is less slick.
I see you have the same luck I have getting flats at opportune times.
I see you have the same luck I have getting flats at opportune times.
Without those but it doesn't make sense to run an IGH as you're losing the set-and-forget properties of the system.
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Removing the wheel on my Nexus 8 is not as easy as in a "normal" bike, but it's not that hard either. With QR it may take 10 secs to remove the wheel, another 10 to put it back; with nutted axle/shift cable what, 40 secs/1 min? Not a big deal IMO (unless you're rushing to get in time to work ).
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I have sliding dropouts with no fender or guard to deal with. I'm not sure a fender would be an issue though, as the wheel drops straight down out of the dropout.
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Yikes. Are there laws requiring fenders and chain guards? I know some Euro countries have light and other safety laws.
I have sliding dropouts with no fender or guard to deal with. I'm not sure a fender would be an issue though, as the wheel drops straight down out of the dropout.
I have sliding dropouts with no fender or guard to deal with. I'm not sure a fender would be an issue though, as the wheel drops straight down out of the dropout.
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At one time were they less of a niche? I was thumbing through an old Sears catalog from the 1970s recently, and there were possibly almost as many IGH bikes listed as derailleur ones. Was the balance back then different from what we see today?
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Yes, 50+ years ago they were much more common than now. You used to see lots of the old 3 speeds. I've got my father in laws old 3 speed Schwinn Racer with an SA hub I cleaned up....thinking about repainting it; or at least replacing the steel rims with something rideable.
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Anyone who thinks they're a niche item needs to get out a little more.
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Fair enough. But again..if I’m not kistake. The people asking about/mentioning IGHs were in the US, where you’ll see one about twice a year.
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IGH's are definitely a niche in the US. I'm gradually seeing a growing number of them, but the riders give the impression of being bike enthusiasts, or have been riding for a long time (for instance, people who I've seen for more than a year on the bike path). This is one of those things that could take a long time to catch on.
For me, 3 speeds is the sweet spot for a commuter, and I'm happy with my old Sturmey SA. I ride single-speed when I can. But because my bike attracts interest, most people seem genuinely surprised that you can get around on a bike with fewer than 21 gears. This is in a relatively flat town.
The US is also the only country in the world where there are adults who are beginners on bikes. Perhaps, if someone is really new to cycling, they don't know what gear range they will need, and prefer to be absolutely assured that they won't run out of gears.
For me, 3 speeds is the sweet spot for a commuter, and I'm happy with my old Sturmey SA. I ride single-speed when I can. But because my bike attracts interest, most people seem genuinely surprised that you can get around on a bike with fewer than 21 gears. This is in a relatively flat town.
The US is also the only country in the world where there are adults who are beginners on bikes. Perhaps, if someone is really new to cycling, they don't know what gear range they will need, and prefer to be absolutely assured that they won't run out of gears.
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IGH's are definitely a niche in the US. I'm gradually seeing a growing number of them, but the riders give the impression of being bike enthusiasts, or have been riding for a long time (for instance, people who I've seen for more than a year on the bike path). This is one of those things that could take a long time to catch on.
For me, 3 speeds is the sweet spot for a commuter, and I'm happy with my old Sturmey SA. I ride single-speed when I can. But because my bike attracts interest, most people seem genuinely surprised that you can get around on a bike with fewer than 21 gears. This is in a relatively flat town.
The US is also the only country in the world where there are adults who are beginners on bikes. Perhaps, if someone is really new to cycling, they don't know what gear range they will need, and prefer to be absolutely assured that they won't run out of gears.
For me, 3 speeds is the sweet spot for a commuter, and I'm happy with my old Sturmey SA. I ride single-speed when I can. But because my bike attracts interest, most people seem genuinely surprised that you can get around on a bike with fewer than 21 gears. This is in a relatively flat town.
The US is also the only country in the world where there are adults who are beginners on bikes. Perhaps, if someone is really new to cycling, they don't know what gear range they will need, and prefer to be absolutely assured that they won't run out of gears.
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IGH's are definitely a niche in the US. I'm gradually seeing a growing number of them, but the riders give the impression of being bike enthusiasts, or have been riding for a long time (for instance, people who I've seen for more than a year on the bike path). This is one of those things that could take a long time to catch on.
For me, 3 speeds is the sweet spot for a commuter, and I'm happy with my old Sturmey SA. I ride single-speed when I can. But because my bike attracts interest, most people seem genuinely surprised that you can get around on a bike with fewer than 21 gears. This is in a relatively flat town.
The US is also the only country in the world where there are adults who are beginners on bikes. Perhaps, if someone is really new to cycling, they don't know what gear range they will need, and prefer to be absolutely assured that they won't run out of gears.
For me, 3 speeds is the sweet spot for a commuter, and I'm happy with my old Sturmey SA. I ride single-speed when I can. But because my bike attracts interest, most people seem genuinely surprised that you can get around on a bike with fewer than 21 gears. This is in a relatively flat town.
The US is also the only country in the world where there are adults who are beginners on bikes. Perhaps, if someone is really new to cycling, they don't know what gear range they will need, and prefer to be absolutely assured that they won't run out of gears.
Of course...I’m going off of my 50 yr old SA 3 speed that requires an adjustment to replace the wheel. Maybe things have been simplified in half a century lol