General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Fasted vs HIT

Old 07-10-19, 03:09 PM
  #1  
EuanTait
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 6
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Fasted vs HIT

Hi guys I would just like to ask because I'm unsure which one is best for Fat loss.

I'm trying to maintain, if not improve my physical shape as it is fairly toned however that does not mean there is no room for improvement.
EuanTait is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 07:41 AM
  #2  
CyclingFever
I got a fever.
 
CyclingFever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 106
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 11 Posts
Whatever you will keep with over the long-term.
CyclingFever is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 07:50 AM
  #3  
livedarklions
Je suis Snap Motomag
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 4,154

Bikes: Trek FX 3; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; "Motobecane" Fantom CX

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2089 Post(s)
Liked 556 Times in 335 Posts
Originally Posted by EuanTait View Post
Hi guys I would just like to ask because I'm unsure which one is best for Fat loss.

I'm trying to maintain, if not improve my physical shape as it is fairly toned however that does not mean there is no room for improvement.
You're going to have to be a lot more specific. What do you mean by fasting? Intermittent fasting? Extended fasting? How long? Obviously, if you go without intake of calories, you will lose weight, but there's a reason anorexia is considered an eating disorder, you can do yourself great harm.

If you're talking about intermittent fasting, which is basically just confining your eating to certain times of the day, I know people who swear by it, and I doubt you can do yourself any harm. If you're talking about not eating for several days at a time, please don't try this. More likely, you'll lose a lot of muscle tissue, and if you carry it to an extreme, one of those muscles is the heart.
livedarklions is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 08:56 AM
  #4  
gregf83 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 8,787
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 927 Post(s)
Liked 46 Times in 31 Posts
Try to 'empty the tank' once in a while: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-strava-367378
gregf83 is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 09:08 AM
  #5  
pdlamb
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: northern Deep South
Posts: 5,277

Bikes: Fuji Touring, Novara Randonee

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 997 Post(s)
Liked 50 Times in 37 Posts
Fasting will likely help you lose weight if you reduce your overall caloric intake.

Really, you're barking up the wrong tree. Unless you're riding 5-8 hours a day AND restricting calories (no desserts, fried foods, etc.), bicycling or any form of exercise isn't going to help you reduce body fat.

Change your diet to change your weight. Ride the bike for fitness and health.
pdlamb is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 09:14 AM
  #6  
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 18,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 39 Posts
HIT is a benefit in itself, and you should do some every week. I don't think there is any long-term benefit to fasted training or fasting in general. I try to do a little bit of fasted training just to try to get fat adapted, but that doesn't help people that don't ride fairly long miles.
unterhausen is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 09:57 AM
  #7  
terrymorse
Senior Member
 
terrymorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 3,199

Bikes: Scott Addict R1

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 101 Post(s)
Liked 53 Times in 39 Posts
Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
Unless you're riding 5-8 hours a day AND restricting calories (no desserts, fried foods, etc.), bicycling or any form of exercise isn't going to help you reduce body fat.
I see that "bicycling won't help you lose weight" argument all the time, and I can't understand the basis for it.

If you ride about 10 hours per week, and you maintain your current calorie intake, that ought produce a weekly deficit of at least 5000 calories, equal to about 2 pounds of body fat.

My iOS Health app says my average daily combined resting and exercise energy expenditure is about 3400 calories/day. Just to maintain my body weight, I need to eat a 4th meal before bedtime.
terrymorse is offline  
Likes For terrymorse:
Old 07-11-19, 09:58 AM
  #8  
caloso
Packfodding 3
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 38,128

Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper

Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1870 Post(s)
Liked 231 Times in 132 Posts
Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
You're going to have to be a lot more specific. What do you mean by fasting? Intermittent fasting? Extended fasting? How long? Obviously, if you go without intake of calories, you will lose weight, but there's a reason anorexia is considered an eating disorder, you can do yourself great harm.

If you're talking about intermittent fasting, which is basically just confining your eating to certain times of the day, I know people who swear by it, and I doubt you can do yourself any harm. If you're talking about not eating for several days at a time, please don't try this. More likely, you'll lose a lot of muscle tissue, and if you carry it to an extreme, one of those muscles is the heart.
Using "fasted" rather than "fasting," I understood the OP to be talking about fasted rides, which are essentially getting up and going for a longish ride at moderate pace in a fasted state. I do these often, especially in the winter and early spring. Get up, drink a mug of black coffee, and ride at tempo or less for 90-120 minutes. Then eat. You are training yourself to become more efficient at using fat rather than glycogen for fuel.

That's a different thing than going for days without eating.
caloso is offline  
Likes For caloso:
Old 07-11-19, 11:03 AM
  #9  
pdlamb
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: northern Deep South
Posts: 5,277

Bikes: Fuji Touring, Novara Randonee

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 997 Post(s)
Liked 50 Times in 37 Posts
Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
I see that "bicycling won't help you lose weight" argument all the time, and I can't understand the basis for it.

If you ride about 10 hours per week, and you maintain your current calorie intake, that ought produce a weekly deficit of at least 5000 calories, equal to about 2 pounds of body fat.
Using that math, and since I didn't start eating more as I increased my cycling (I'm actually eating less now), over the last 15 years, I now should weigh negative 1200 pounds. Since my weight is significantly more than -1200 pounds, and is, in fact, positive, there's a problem with the math.
pdlamb is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 11:15 AM
  #10  
terrymorse
Senior Member
 
terrymorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 3,199

Bikes: Scott Addict R1

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 101 Post(s)
Liked 53 Times in 39 Posts
Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
Using that math, and since I didn't start eating more as I increased my cycling (I'm actually eating less now), over the last 15 years, I now should weigh negative 1200 pounds. Since my weight is significantly more than -1200 pounds, and is, in fact, positive, there's a problem with the math.
If your weight didn't drop after you increased your exercise, then you increased your calorie intake.
terrymorse is offline  
Likes For terrymorse:
Old 07-11-19, 11:46 AM
  #11  
burnthesheep
Newbie racer
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 957

Bikes: Propel, red is faster

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 426 Post(s)
Liked 96 Times in 60 Posts
A tip on the HIIT I didn't know about until recently. If you want to supercharge the session, toss in a reasonable length SS effort after your HIIT sets. 5min minimum. 10min preferable. It'll suck. But it's a different energy system.

Something about the HIIT mobilizing some kind of fat energy in your body during the tougher HIIT part. Then actually using some of it up with the SS at the end instead of it just reattaching somewhere.

That sounds very unscientific, but that's the gist of what was in the podcast.

I think the fasted rides may be more about teaching your body to operate efficiently and powerfully using fat more than getting skinnier. Not totally sure, but thought so.
burnthesheep is offline  
Likes For burnthesheep:
Old 07-11-19, 12:11 PM
  #12  
Happy Feet
Senior Member
 
Happy Feet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3,258
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1245 Post(s)
Liked 152 Times in 90 Posts
I don't buy the teaching ones body to burn fat theory.

In practical terms, going forward it would only apply if on a regular basis you did not provide the body with carbs/sugars. As soon as you reintroduce those more easily accessible fuels the body will choose that pathway over burning fat. far better to just find a workable balance of food sources and create a long term sustainable lifestyle around their consumption.

The big problem with all these diet and exercise fads is that they are unsustainable (or not sustained) long term.
Happy Feet is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 12:34 PM
  #13  
livedarklions
Je suis Snap Motomag
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 4,154

Bikes: Trek FX 3; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; "Motobecane" Fantom CX

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2089 Post(s)
Liked 556 Times in 335 Posts
Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
Using that math, and since I didn't start eating more as I increased my cycling (I'm actually eating less now), over the last 15 years, I now should weigh negative 1200 pounds. Since my weight is significantly more than -1200 pounds, and is, in fact, positive, there's a problem with the math.
The problem with the math may be that you reduced your activity in some other area, or your calories before you were biking were more than enough to sustain your weight.

Losing weight itself also tends to reduce your calorie needs for any given activity, which is why dieters often plateau after an initial weight loss.
livedarklions is offline  
Old 07-11-19, 01:11 PM
  #14  
OBoile
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,301
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 745 Post(s)
Liked 81 Times in 42 Posts
Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
Using that math, and since I didn't start eating more as I increased my cycling (I'm actually eating less now), over the last 15 years, I now should weigh negative 1200 pounds. Since my weight is significantly more than -1200 pounds, and is, in fact, positive, there's a problem with the math.
Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
If your weight didn't drop after you increased your exercise, then you increased your calorie intake.
This. Lots of people end up consuming more without realizing it. A little bit more cereal in their bowl at breakfast, a high calorie drink instead of their normal coffee, some small snacks throughout the day, giving in to temptation and getting fries instead of salad as your side.

I do suspect, that adding exercise often causes a subtle increase in hunger, and therefore eating, which negates much, if not all, of the expected weight loss.

Exercise definitely burns calories, which definitely leads weight loss as long as your diet is kept constant. But, I think most people, myself included, don't pay enough attention to their diet to really say if it is being kept constant.
OBoile is offline  
Likes For OBoile:
Old 07-12-19, 07:36 AM
  #15  
CyclingFever
I got a fever.
 
CyclingFever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 106
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 11 Posts
A balanced healthy diet without excess calories is the way to lose weight. It's hard to lose weight and training at a high level because you need the calories to maintain energy levels. It
s easier to focus on one.
CyclingFever is offline  
Likes For CyclingFever:
Old 07-12-19, 08:26 AM
  #16  
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,114

Bikes: Sekini 1979 ten speed racer

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 748 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 41 Times in 29 Posts
If you're only 16, then it's a good start to establish good habits before your bad habits take over as you get older and life gets in the way of sensible eating and exercise.

Cut out the fast food and sugar intake - and beer too.

Keep up with the bike riding being a part of your day instead of viewing it as specifically for exercise. That is, reduce your dependancy on your car ( if you have one).

Last edited by Daniel4; 07-12-19 at 09:41 AM.
Daniel4 is offline  
Likes For Daniel4:
Old 07-12-19, 12:38 PM
  #17  
Korina
Happy banana slug
 
Korina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Arcata, California, U.S., North America, Earth, Saggitarius Arm, Milky Way
Posts: 1,175

Bikes: 1992 Specialized Rockhopper Sport, 2016 Giant Liv Rove Lite, 2004 Giant OCR1, 1995 Trek Singletrack 930 1988 Specialized Rockhopper Comp (frame)

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 422 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 51 Posts
To quote author Michael Pollan: 'Eat food*. Not too much. Mostly plants.'

*Actual food is prepared from ingredients, not taken out of a box and microwaved.

Concentrate on being fit and healthy and don't worry about weight; that'll happen (or not) on its own.
Korina is offline  
Likes For Korina:
Old 07-12-19, 01:01 PM
  #18  
livedarklions
Je suis Snap Motomag
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 4,154

Bikes: Trek FX 3; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; "Motobecane" Fantom CX

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2089 Post(s)
Liked 556 Times in 335 Posts
Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Using "fasted" rather than "fasting," I understood the OP to be talking about fasted rides, which are essentially getting up and going for a longish ride at moderate pace in a fasted state. I do these often, especially in the winter and early spring. Get up, drink a mug of black coffee, and ride at tempo or less for 90-120 minutes. Then eat. You are training yourself to become more efficient at using fat rather than glycogen for fuel.

That's a different thing than going for days without eating.


Thanks, I never heard the term "fasted ride" before, but that makes sense.
livedarklions is offline  
Old 07-12-19, 05:47 PM
  #19  
FrenchFit 
The Left Coast, USA
 
FrenchFit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,733

Bikes: Bulls, Bianchi, Koga, Trek, Miyata

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 338 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 9 Posts
Originally Posted by EuanTait View Post
I'm trying to maintain, if not improve my physical shape
I have been an IF'er for 4 or 5 years, always work-out | ride, run, swim, weights | in a fasted state. The issue for me was to develop what is commonly referred to as a metabolic flexibility, and I have always suffered wild insulin spikes ingesting sugar and carbs during the day. I can pack on fat just by smelling a loaf of bread.

After a long run I'll use a protein shake for recovery, but that's when it seems necessary.

It works for me, but generalizations about fasting are difficult to support. I doubt many people would be comfortable running 3 miles before work, then putting in a full day without food until 5:30pm. Additionally, I don't consider it a viable competitive athlete diet. Endurance efforts, maybe; IF'ing seems to have become a fad in the endurance running game, as is high fat diets.
__________________
There is more to life than simply increasing its speed. - Gandhi
FrenchFit is offline  
Old 07-12-19, 08:13 PM
  #20  
Troul
:D
 
Troul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Mich
Posts: 1,574
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 15 Posts
Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
Try to 'empty the tank' once in a while: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-strava-367378
30mph ave? Thats a bit high for the distance for an average joe.
Troul is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.