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Old 09-22-19, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
It's really sad that people feel this way when the main beneficiary of this kind of trails are the people that live along it.
Yep. In populated areas, trails have been shown to increase property values. They can also spur investment. Just did the GAP up and back. Several properties in different towns have been purchased and turned into guest houses/B&Bs. Another property was recently turned into a very nice campground.

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Sometimes you see eerie rock formations from an MUP. Kind of looks like a face.

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Originally Posted by MNebiker View Post
can come up with something new and different. What is the strange NEW thing you have encountered on the trails...
Unicycles. Very slow snakes and very fast turtles, smart-alec crows.

Zagster - local bike-share - against the odds is becoming more and more popular.

There is a microbrewery near the trailhead, that I've ridden by every day for about 6 years and never stopped. A fledgeling cyclist/hipster scene is developing around the shaded tables out front; I suspect they dress up, get on the Greenway for a mile or two, then soak up the ambience for an hour.
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Old 09-22-19, 11:03 AM
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I still take them as a positive overall. When on them I relegate it to a slow cut thru with obstacles.

What we need to address is an epidemic of ďAmerican exceptionalism and entitlement syndromeĒ among the MUP users.

Itís a bunch of FYIGM attitudes out there.
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Old 09-22-19, 11:17 AM
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One route that I take goes along a creek/estuary, and the rowing club has their dock

and clubhouse on either sides of the path.

Sometimes have to dodge racing shells crossing.

Also watch out for fishing back-casts.
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Old 09-22-19, 11:38 AM
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My local MUP the CoCoCanal trail has a yearly tradition that always makes me smile. A local kindergarten writes all their graduates names on the trail. In chalk and alphabetic order. This year it was Alexis through to Victoria. Iíve never seen the actual writing ceremony. Itís a short walk from the school to the path. After the first rain or two itís already erased and ready for next year. Good luck little guys!
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Old 09-22-19, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
there have been plans for a long rural mup near here that keep getting put off because people don't want the trail across their property fearing that people from State College will come out and cause problems. OTOH, at the other end of the valley there is a rail trail that is widely loved. And I have been on other rural rail trails that are major recreation areas in the communities nearby. It's really sad that people feel this way when the main beneficiary of this kind of trails are the people that live along it. And anyway, the flow of crime is actually the other way around, rural folks come to State College to commit crimes, because it's more of a target rich area. What is going to happen, someone might steal a hay bale?
It's an actual studied phenomenon that the people most scared of crime are people who live in areas with very little crime. It's one of those things that has effects like not building trails or transit lines to rural zero-crime areas because some local politician riles up the local voters about how all the "urban criminals" will apparently use them to come to Haverbock to do crimes or something.
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Old 09-22-19, 12:13 PM
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Relatively speaking, this whole area is zero crime. We leave our doors unlocked, for example. The idea that there is some criminal element that will leave town and go steal things from people who mostly own hay bales is a bit ridiculous. Other than alcohol related offenses and other stupid things students do, our serious crime is virtually all committed by transients and people from rural areas that come into town. They could just as well steal hay bales on the way into town.
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Old 09-22-19, 04:54 PM
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My town is relatively low crime, for being a mid sized city and all. Our rural areas are not exactly crime free, but crimes and injuries tend to involve alcohol, drugs, firearms, and internal combustion engines, none of which are in abundance on MUPs. I have a hypothesis that criminals are lazy and cowardly, so they're unlikely to choose cycling as their mode of transportation. A friend of mine is a state prosecutor, and the rural areas keep him plenty busy.

Our MUPs are great. Sometimes you have to slow down for other users, and that's just fine. Slowing down should be part of good bike handling skills anyway. That's what brakes are for. Returning to your cruising speed is what legs are for.

My main gripes have to do with riding the paths at night. Folks should be more courteous about having really bright lights on the MUPs. Also, joggers should make some effort to be visible. The Madison Ninja Joggers tend to wear all black from head to toe, and they're all wearing earbuds as well. It's mainly a problem when the time changes in the fall, because it's suddenly dark. Within a few weeks, the cold weather will take care of them.
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Nope. Not ever riding a city/county MUP again, for ALL of the reasons the OP noted. And even though I've been a member of Rails-to-Trails since they started in 1986, I have yet to ride on one. MAYBE I'd ride on a rural one, but not where there are Trail Toads clogging them up. I my normal riding pace is anywhere between 17-21mph, and I refuse to slow down to our local MUP speed limit of 8mph.
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Old 09-22-19, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gresp15C View Post

Sometimes you have to slow down for other users, and that's just fine. Slowing down should be part of good bike handling skills anyway. That's what brakes are for. Returning to your cruising speed is what legs are for.
This! I've developed some wicked good acceleration skills on the mups. If it's not safe to pass, I'll slow to walking speed while I wait for the left lane to clear and I won't say anything because I don't want the pedestrians to think I'm telling them to crowd themselves on the right edge. Once it clears, I announce and work my way around them then accelerate immediately in front of them. I've had a couple of people complain because they thought I had passed them closely at speed when I actually passed them very far to their left and hadn't attained any serious speed at that point. They just see the rapidly receding bike pull into their lane a few feet ahead of them and they just assume I had been going that fast all along. I just got really good at a well-practiced maneuver.
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Old 09-22-19, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cougrrcj View Post
Nope. Not ever riding a city/county MUP again, for ALL of the reasons the OP noted. And even though I've been a member of Rails-to-Trails since they started in 1986, I have yet to ride on one. MAYBE I'd ride on a rural one, but not where there are Trail Toads clogging them up. I my normal riding pace is anywhere between 17-21mph, and I refuse to slow down to our local MUP speed limit of 8mph.
I wouldn't ride on anything with a limit of 8 mph either. My cruising speed is a bit higher than yours, however, and there are several rail trails in my area where I can ride uninterrupted at speed for several miles.

I find that it's hit or miss whether an urban street will be more or less clogged than an urban MUP, and it's a lot less pleasant to get stuck behind and between Amazon vans, postal jeeps, city buses and people who like to double park.

There's really no MUP with a higher speed limit where you are? That's effectively a "no bike commuting" rule. Defeats one of the major purposes.
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Old 09-22-19, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
there have been plans for a long rural mup near here that keep getting put off because people don't want the trail across their property fearing that people from State College will come out and cause problems. OTOH, at the other end of the valley there is a rail trail that is widely loved. And I have been on other rural rail trails that are major recreation areas in the communities nearby. It's really sad that people feel this way when the main beneficiary of this kind of trails are the people that live along it. And anyway, the flow of crime is actually the other way around, rural folks come to State College to commit crimes, because it's more of a target rich area. What is going to happen, someone might steal a hay bale?
When they were first talking about converting the old electric railway line to a rail-trail many property owners were quite concerned about how it's impact them. However, once the conversion to a rail-trail was done those property owners found that there was a lot less partying along the rail-trail than there was along the abandoned electric railway. Seems the bush partiers went to other more secluded areas. So with the advent of the rail-trail the property owners along it benefited.

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Old 09-22-19, 07:50 PM
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I like the idea OP!

I'd like to see discussion of singing out loud while using the MUP, and also issues with body odor.

Plus, I think to keep this entertaining the discussion should include a prodigious use of asterisks such as:

Originally Posted by MNebiker View Post
Here's my nomination to open the list: Two weeks ago I encountered a young lady who had spread out her ***** ***** and was ********** on the trail.
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Originally Posted by sheddle View Post
It's an actual studied phenomenon that the people most scared of crime are people who live in areas with very little crime. It's one of those things that has effects like not building trails or transit lines to rural zero-crime areas because some local politician riles up the local voters about how all the "urban criminals" will apparently use them to come to Haverbock to do crimes or something.
That very thing happened in S. Jersey when a new light rail line was being proposed from Trenton south, passing through Camden, which has a lot of crime. Many communities south of Camden opposed the project due to fears of an increase in crime coming from Camden, among other reasons. As a result, the line was built between Trento and Camden only. The service exceeded ridership estimates from the git go and spawned redevelopment and increased property values in the towns it passes through. A lot of people south of Camden now want the line extended.
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Most of what I am getting from this is we have an overbreeding/overpopulated/humans as an invasive species issue.
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A couple of shots from the Route of the Hiawatha Trail. That particular tunnel is 1.66 miles long, unlit and has water dripping from the ceiling. Cool stuff.
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I just discovered a new train near here yesterday. The state prison owned some land that was prime fishing area, and gave it to the local government. There had been a singletrack, but now it's a wide cinder trail. Very nice. I suppose there are probably some mountain bikers that miss the singletrack, it was fun. But I'm sure this trail will be used by a lot more people.
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What is a MUP trail?
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What is a MUP trail?
MUP trail is redundant. MUP=Multiple use path.
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This little fellow was along a MUP two years ago. I spooked him and he swam across the creek.

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Originally Posted by Humpy View Post
I like the idea OP!

I'd like to see discussion of singing out loud while using the MUP, and also issues with body odor.

Plus, I think to keep this entertaining the discussion should include a prodigious use of asterisks such as:
Ah - Finally! Somebody who understands!

Like I said, more entertainment than the Sunday funnies.
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Will take all the annoyances of the MUP any day, vs riding with the cars and trucks. Also painfully discovered that after years of being around jet engines, I can no longer hear the little bells some cyclist like to use. Have never missed an, ďon your leftĒ, call though. At least my bike was rideable after the collision, other guy had to walk.
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One of the paths I bike regularly has people fishing on it. Most of the time they sit on or near the bank to do this. Sometimes they park their camping chairs all across the path with the fishing lines stretching completely across the width of the path. Sometimes you can ride around. Sometimes you're forced to say excuse me and walk your bike thru.
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So - let's see if we can come up with something new and different.
How about a chain lube thread?
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