View Poll Results: Do you have BMUFL signs where you live/work/ride?
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Do you have BMUFL signs where you live/work/ride?
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No. you needed it in the title, as you well know. Also, the whole topic was ill-conceived. You Should have specified it only applied to a small part of the cycling world. There is a world outside the USA. High time you recognised that, as most people from your continent are well aware.
Also could be translated into any other language and still have meaning.
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Keep in mind that that is only one road (McKenzie Pass) that has heavy bicycle traffic. In fact, it is closed to cars this time of year, but they allow cyclists and pedestrians to hop the gate (at their own risk).
It is a tough hill climb, especially for those doing a century+ RT ride from Eugene, with a 20 mile climb in the middle of the ride. So, I'd agree that drivers should expect cyclists using the full lane. I just couldn't keep a narrow track.
Personally I would not put those signs up indiscriminately. Perhaps choose a few specific roads where there are quite a few cyclists, and poor or nonexistent road shoulders.
In town, sharrows should convey a similar message. Still, I believe in sharing the road, so letting cars pass whenever it is safe and convenient for all.
Perhaps a better sign would simply be "Bicycles on Roadway" without specifying where on the roadway.
In the Eugene area, Loraine HWY is popular among cyclists so more road markings would be appropriate, but I also presume all the locals know that it is popular among cyclists.
The McKenzie Pass above, gets many non-local drivers, so more road signs would also make sense.
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I went ahead and put my vote in... yes, there are a couple of signs on ONE road about 50 miles from my house. However, that is the only road I've noticed them on, and I believe it is a special case, and not necessarily general applicability.
There are more bicycles on roadway and bike route signs without the full lane signs.
It is a tough hill climb, especially for those doing a century+ RT ride from Eugene, with a 20 mile climb in the middle of the ride. So, I'd agree that drivers should expect cyclists using the full lane. I just couldn't keep a narrow track.
Personally I would not put those signs up indiscriminately. Perhaps choose a few specific roads where there are quite a few cyclists, and poor or nonexistent road shoulders.
In town, sharrows should convey a similar message. Still, I believe in sharing the road, so letting cars pass whenever it is safe and convenient for all.
Perhaps a better sign would simply be "Bicycles on Roadway" without specifying where on the roadway.
In the Eugene area, Loraine HWY is popular among cyclists so more road markings would be appropriate, but I also presume all the locals know that it is popular among cyclists.
The McKenzie Pass above, gets many non-local drivers, so more road signs would also make sense.
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I went ahead and put my vote in... yes, there are a couple of signs on ONE road about 50 miles from my house. However, that is the only road I've noticed them on, and I believe it is a special case, and not necessarily general applicability.
There are more bicycles on roadway and bike route signs without the full lane signs.
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Thanks for proving my poiny. so, your thread should be titled ... BMUFL and LVPULPV. Then, of course, you’d need to add the acronyms for Germany, Japan, Samoa, Belize etc. The best way, of course, is simply not to use an acronym
By the way, there seems to be a keyboard problem your end, or you are using a font my tablet doesn’t recognise.
By the way, there seems to be a keyboard problem your end, or you are using a font my tablet doesn’t recognise.
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And let's face it, we don't need to be told not to ride in the on-coming lane here. Though a bit of 'natural selection' never hurt anyone.
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Here's another look at Shaw St. in Toronto, not far from the spot shown by Jim from Boston. That's why the sign in his pic says "bicycles excepted" - there's a contraflow bike lane on an otherwise one-way street. Since we're talking about signs, it's interesting that they a put a speed-bump warning sign up even for the cyclists heading north. Another sign of sorts, is the sharrow endorsing southbound cyclists taking the lane.
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I have one of these signs I've noticed in my area and it's the only Sharrow I know of in Jacksonville. However, it's kind of funny because the section of road in question is only about a block long where this sign/Sharrow is in effect. The rest of the road has a bike lane.
The only reason this area is a sharrow is because it's sandwiched between a bunch of stores/restaurants, so the speed limit is dropped down to 15-mph. This area is in Jacksonville Beach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackso...Beach,_Florida, along 1st street N.
P.S./A little Trivia: Jacksonville is the largest city (area wise) in the lower 48, at just under 875 sq/miles. So maybe there are other areas I haven't seen, but a lot of Jacksonville is also open land, so probably not that many other areas that have sharrows...
The only reason this area is a sharrow is because it's sandwiched between a bunch of stores/restaurants, so the speed limit is dropped down to 15-mph. This area is in Jacksonville Beach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackso...Beach,_Florida, along 1st street N.
P.S./A little Trivia: Jacksonville is the largest city (area wise) in the lower 48, at just under 875 sq/miles. So maybe there are other areas I haven't seen, but a lot of Jacksonville is also open land, so probably not that many other areas that have sharrows...
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I'm in a rural yet growing area. We need signs but more importantly we need the car eating potholes to be fixed. Tarrant count could care less
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And English too. My favorite sign - ever.
I can't even get Googoo to focus on what ever the sign is. Mind filling us nt?
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They must not care about that anymore, it only lacks graffiti and bullet holes to show it's true age.
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None in my state. NY State DOT refuses to think they're a good idea and prohibits their use in their addendum to the MUTCD.
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Thanks for proving my poiny. so, your thread should be titled ... BMUFL and LVPULPV. Then, of course, you’d need to add the acronyms for Germany, Japan, Samoa, Belize etc. The best way, of course, is simply not to use an acronym
By the way, there seems to be a keyboard problem your end, or you are using a font my tablet doesn’t recognise.
By the way, there seems to be a keyboard problem your end, or you are using a font my tablet doesn’t recognise.
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It can't have escaped your notice that you are posting in an English speaking and N.A. centric forum. Is this an example of what you people (sorry) call "ennui"? Come on, go against type. You are an ambassador. A&S is un endroit difficile at the best of times. Cut the inmates some slack, why not?
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You suggesting Escape From Bikatraz?
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It's a great message and is only beginning to transform societal attitudes.
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I still subscribe to the bike < car < semi < locomotive school of thought and make sure we all know we're there.
It has nothing much to do with social engineering, I learned it in physical science lessons.
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