Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

New bike weekend. 1st commute tomorrow morning

Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

New bike weekend. 1st commute tomorrow morning

Old 09-05-18, 07:24 AM
  #26  
pdlamb
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: northern Deep South
Posts: 8,842

Bikes: Fuji Touring, Novara Randonee

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2575 Post(s)
Liked 1,900 Times in 1,192 Posts
Most cheap bike wheels are not correctly (machine) built, but a good wheel man can make them last anyways. The keys are "proper tension" and "stress relief." Pardon me if I give you references rather than the extended technical talk; you can find details in the Bicycle Mechanics sub-forum, "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt, or several other web sites you can find through a search in the mechanics forum.
pdlamb is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 08:05 AM
  #27  
Darth Lefty 
Disco Infiltrator
 
Darth Lefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Folsom CA
Posts: 13,775

Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem

Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3126 Post(s)
Liked 2,102 Times in 1,366 Posts
Originally Posted by Archwhorides
Hand-building is really superior to the OEM machine-building.
A machine can definitely build a good wheel. If you can find a video of a machine working it's fascinating how it does all those things that you can find in a wheel building book. They work just like a guy going by hand, including wind-up, stress relief and etc. But they're not that fast, as robots go, because they still go spoke-by-spoke. So the determining factor to a wheel build is how much time it's allowed to spend in the machine, and how good the parts were going in. I would expect an $1100 Salsa to have decent parts and a decent build too.

__________________
Genesis 49:16-17

Last edited by Darth Lefty; 09-05-18 at 08:15 AM.
Darth Lefty is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 08:19 AM
  #28  
Darth Lefty 
Disco Infiltrator
 
Darth Lefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Folsom CA
Posts: 13,775

Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem

Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3126 Post(s)
Liked 2,102 Times in 1,366 Posts
Also, the Wheel Pro book is way better than the Brandt book
Darth Lefty is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 09:20 AM
  #29  
RidingMatthew
Let's Ride!
Thread Starter
 
RidingMatthew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Triad, NC USA
Posts: 2,569

Bikes: --2010 Jamis 650b1-- 2016 Cervelo R2-- 2018 Salsa Journeyman 650B

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 327 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
The rear wheel is a Formula, 32H, 135mm WTB i23 TCS 650b, 2.0mm spokes, brass nipples. I don't think i should have to rebuild the wheel i just purchased.
I thought this was a good wheel.

I am not sure but I think it is defective or something... the bike wheel has less than 400 miles on it and I have broken two spokes so far. I am riding with panniers. I might or might not bunny hop over speed bumps etc but it is supposed to be an adventure bike. I would think the wheel would have to be tougher than this.
I am going back to the bike shop with it today. 2x in less than week. I will see what happens. (CFO is not feeling so good about this)
RidingMatthew is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 09:41 AM
  #30  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,691

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 510 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7287 Post(s)
Liked 2,361 Times in 1,380 Posts
Did the spokes break at the elbows? That is a sign of fatigue. If it happened when the wheel is new, then it means the wheel was not built properly. The rest of the spokes will break soon, possibly soon.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 03:21 PM
  #31  
Darth Lefty 
Disco Infiltrator
 
Darth Lefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Folsom CA
Posts: 13,775

Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem

Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3126 Post(s)
Liked 2,102 Times in 1,366 Posts
Originally Posted by RidingMatthew
. I will see what happens. (CFO is not feeling so good about this)
CFO knows what happens when you go to the bike store
Darth Lefty is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 05:04 PM
  #32  
Archwhorides 
Senior Member
 
Archwhorides's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Boston
Posts: 927

Bikes: Death machines all

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 297 Post(s)
Liked 85 Times in 63 Posts
Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
A machine can definitely build a good wheel. If you can find a video of a machine working it's fascinating how it does all those things that you can find in a wheel building book. They work just like a guy going by hand, including wind-up, stress relief and etc. But they're not that fast, as robots go, because they still go spoke-by-spoke. So the determining factor to a wheel build is how much time it's allowed to spend in the machine, and how good the parts were going in. I would expect an $1100 Salsa to have decent parts and a decent build too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9GwfPpN3kM
Cool machine/video, do you know if this technology is prevalent yet?

After three years my $2,000 BMC urban commuter was breaking spokes quite rapidly (at the hook of course), I wonder if the wheel was cheaply machine-built or overwhelmed by the Clyde on top and the potholes underneath. I have had to replace the cheaper OEM parts as well, including the eccentric bottom bracket and the hydro brake handles.
__________________
Work is the curse of the drinking classes - Oscar Wilde
Archwhorides is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 07:24 PM
  #33  
RidingMatthew
Let's Ride!
Thread Starter
 
RidingMatthew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Triad, NC USA
Posts: 2,569

Bikes: --2010 Jamis 650b1-- 2016 Cervelo R2-- 2018 Salsa Journeyman 650B

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 327 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Update

Well, I walked in the bike shop today and the owner greeted me and asked me what was up. I said I broke another spoke. He was like that’s crazy. He said they will rebuild the whole wheel with different spokes. Stronger spoke he said. Maybe it it was built to tight with the machine built wheel.

Kinda bummed about not having the bike but hope this sets it up for many miles of trouble free adventures. 🚲 if this wheel holds up I Will be super happy and have my own favorite bike shop.
RidingMatthew is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 07:52 PM
  #34  
RidingMatthew
Let's Ride!
Thread Starter
 
RidingMatthew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Triad, NC USA
Posts: 2,569

Bikes: --2010 Jamis 650b1-- 2016 Cervelo R2-- 2018 Salsa Journeyman 650B

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 327 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
Originally Posted by noglider
Did the spokes break at the elbows? That is a sign of fatigue. If it happened when the wheel is new, then it means the wheel was not built properly. The rest of the spokes will break soon, possibly soon.
thanks Tom they both have broken at the bend/ elbow. Hard to believe fatigue with less than 400 miles. But if built wrong it makes sense.
RidingMatthew is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 08:10 PM
  #35  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,691

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 510 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7287 Post(s)
Liked 2,361 Times in 1,380 Posts
Originally Posted by RidingMatthew


thanks Tom they both have broken at the bend/ elbow. Hard to believe fatigue with less than 400 miles. But if built wrong it makes sense.
Yup. Several of us have experience building and fixing wheels. This is something we've seen. When a wheel's spokes are not brought into full tension, as you ride, the loosening-tightening cycle is increased, which fatigues the spokes.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 09-05-18, 10:09 PM
  #36  
Darth Lefty 
Disco Infiltrator
 
Darth Lefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Folsom CA
Posts: 13,775

Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem

Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3126 Post(s)
Liked 2,102 Times in 1,366 Posts
Originally Posted by Archwhorides
Cool machine/video, do you know if this technology is prevalent yet?
Yes. It wasn't always. Used to be, they weren't so good. Then, they got better.
__________________
Genesis 49:16-17
Darth Lefty is offline  
Old 09-06-18, 06:18 AM
  #37  
RidingMatthew
Let's Ride!
Thread Starter
 
RidingMatthew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Triad, NC USA
Posts: 2,569

Bikes: --2010 Jamis 650b1-- 2016 Cervelo R2-- 2018 Salsa Journeyman 650B

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 327 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
I am pretty excited that they volunteered and will hand rebuild the wheel. I am not sure why I would have the issues. He said that he has sold the Journeyman to other guys who are using it for commuting and they have had no issue. Good thing we bought the bike from the closer to the office bike shop. It sure makes it convenient to run over after work and drop it off.
RidingMatthew is offline  
Old 09-06-18, 07:35 AM
  #38  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,691

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 510 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7287 Post(s)
Liked 2,361 Times in 1,380 Posts
That's really good to hear. Some shops aren't so good at building wheels. I suspect this shop knows what it's doing.

Quality control is never perfect, so you probably just got a bum wheel. They look the same to most people, and it can easily get by even a good bike mechanics eyes and hands. When you receive the rebuilt wheel, make sure the spoke tensions are high.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 09-10-18, 09:28 AM
  #39  
RidingMatthew
Let's Ride!
Thread Starter
 
RidingMatthew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Triad, NC USA
Posts: 2,569

Bikes: --2010 Jamis 650b1-- 2016 Cervelo R2-- 2018 Salsa Journeyman 650B

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 327 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 24 Posts
just an update. I picked up the bike Saturday. I rode the neighborhood with my son yesterday and it felt good. I commuted today in the clouds/drizzle/rain mess that is outside. I am not sure how much I will get to commute the rest of the week due Florence messing with the weather patterns.
RidingMatthew is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Phil_gretz
Commuting
27
07-17-15 09:49 AM
BrockLee
Commuting
40
05-29-15 09:56 AM
dcr
Commuting
13
12-15-12 02:58 PM
pocket_kings
Commuting
22
05-23-12 09:43 AM
adaminlc
Commuting
4
04-13-12 03:47 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.