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Most cheap bike wheels are not correctly (machine) built, but a good wheel man can make them last anyways. The keys are "proper tension" and "stress relief." Pardon me if I give you references rather than the extended technical talk; you can find details in the Bicycle Mechanics sub-forum, "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt, or several other web sites you can find through a search in the mechanics forum.
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A machine can definitely build a good wheel. If you can find a video of a machine working it's fascinating how it does all those things that you can find in a wheel building book. They work just like a guy going by hand, including wind-up, stress relief and etc. But they're not that fast, as robots go, because they still go spoke-by-spoke. So the determining factor to a wheel build is how much time it's allowed to spend in the machine, and how good the parts were going in. I would expect an $1100 Salsa to have decent parts and a decent build too.
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Also, the Wheel Pro book is way better than the Brandt book
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The rear wheel is a Formula, 32H, 135mm WTB i23 TCS 650b, 2.0mm spokes, brass nipples. I don't think i should have to rebuild the wheel i just purchased.
I thought this was a good wheel.
I am not sure but I think it is defective or something... the bike wheel has less than 400 miles on it and I have broken two spokes so far. I am riding with panniers. I might or might not bunny hop over speed bumps etc but it is supposed to be an adventure bike. I would think the wheel would have to be tougher than this.
I am going back to the bike shop with it today. 2x in less than week. I will see what happens. (CFO is not feeling so good about this)
I thought this was a good wheel.
I am not sure but I think it is defective or something... the bike wheel has less than 400 miles on it and I have broken two spokes so far. I am riding with panniers. I might or might not bunny hop over speed bumps etc but it is supposed to be an adventure bike. I would think the wheel would have to be tougher than this.
I am going back to the bike shop with it today. 2x in less than week. I will see what happens. (CFO is not feeling so good about this)
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Did the spokes break at the elbows? That is a sign of fatigue. If it happened when the wheel is new, then it means the wheel was not built properly. The rest of the spokes will break soon, possibly soon.
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A machine can definitely build a good wheel. If you can find a video of a machine working it's fascinating how it does all those things that you can find in a wheel building book. They work just like a guy going by hand, including wind-up, stress relief and etc. But they're not that fast, as robots go, because they still go spoke-by-spoke. So the determining factor to a wheel build is how much time it's allowed to spend in the machine, and how good the parts were going in. I would expect an $1100 Salsa to have decent parts and a decent build too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9GwfPpN3kM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9GwfPpN3kM
After three years my $2,000 BMC urban commuter was breaking spokes quite rapidly (at the hook of course), I wonder if the wheel was cheaply machine-built or overwhelmed by the Clyde on top and the potholes underneath. I have had to replace the cheaper OEM parts as well, including the eccentric bottom bracket and the hydro brake handles.
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Well, I walked in the bike shop today and the owner greeted me and asked me what was up. I said I broke another spoke. He was like that’s crazy. He said they will rebuild the whole wheel with different spokes. Stronger spoke he said. Maybe it it was built to tight with the machine built wheel.
Kinda bummed about not having the bike but hope this sets it up for many miles of trouble free adventures. 🚲 if this wheel holds up I Will be super happy and have my own favorite bike shop.
Kinda bummed about not having the bike but hope this sets it up for many miles of trouble free adventures. 🚲 if this wheel holds up I Will be super happy and have my own favorite bike shop.
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thanks Tom they both have broken at the bend/ elbow. Hard to believe fatigue with less than 400 miles. But if built wrong it makes sense.
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Yup. Several of us have experience building and fixing wheels. This is something we've seen. When a wheel's spokes are not brought into full tension, as you ride, the loosening-tightening cycle is increased, which fatigues the spokes.
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I am pretty excited that they volunteered and will hand rebuild the wheel. I am not sure why I would have the issues. He said that he has sold the Journeyman to other guys who are using it for commuting and they have had no issue. Good thing we bought the bike from the closer to the office bike shop. It sure makes it convenient to run over after work and drop it off.
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That's really good to hear. Some shops aren't so good at building wheels. I suspect this shop knows what it's doing.
Quality control is never perfect, so you probably just got a bum wheel. They look the same to most people, and it can easily get by even a good bike mechanics eyes and hands. When you receive the rebuilt wheel, make sure the spoke tensions are high.
Quality control is never perfect, so you probably just got a bum wheel. They look the same to most people, and it can easily get by even a good bike mechanics eyes and hands. When you receive the rebuilt wheel, make sure the spoke tensions are high.
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just an update. I picked up the bike Saturday. I rode the neighborhood with my son yesterday and it felt good. I commuted today in the clouds/drizzle/rain mess that is outside. I am not sure how much I will get to commute the rest of the week due Florence messing with the weather patterns.