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Southern Illinois? I used to live in Carbondale. I'm sure someone down there would yell something at you while out on a ride.
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I suspect any jersey with US armed forces logos or wording on them will deter most people from yelling or otherwise harassing you.
Such as:
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I don't get yelled at much where I live in New York, but have spent some amount of time cycling in rural central Illinois. I used to get yelled at a lot until I started wearing a Marines jersey.
I suspect any jersey with US armed forces logos or wording on them will deter most people from yelling or otherwise harassing you.
I suspect any jersey with US armed forces logos or wording on them will deter most people from yelling or otherwise harassing you.
i was going to suggest much earlier in the thread that it is legal to carry an unloaded long arm lung across the back in many states .... but i didn't want to set off that kind of discussion. Now, with quarantine, I guess I can getaway with it, saying I am stir-crazy.
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Purely personal preference. Some would see it it as honoring vets, some might see it as claiming honor they don't deserve. Whichever way each person feels is fine with me.
I really don't care if people wear pro-military clothes .... I have been wearing fatigues since before it became cool, then not cool, then sort of normal and not even noticed.
But personally, I am very touchy about claiming to be a vet. I am totally not interested in what others choose .... if you can wear a an armed forced jersey with pride, or even just to quiet unruly drivers, and it is good for you, it is good for me.
I was not in Black Sabbath, either. Saw them perform once though. Definitely worth the shirt.
I really don't care if people wear pro-military clothes .... I have been wearing fatigues since before it became cool, then not cool, then sort of normal and not even noticed.
But personally, I am very touchy about claiming to be a vet. I am totally not interested in what others choose .... if you can wear a an armed forced jersey with pride, or even just to quiet unruly drivers, and it is good for you, it is good for me.
I was not in Black Sabbath, either. Saw them perform once though. Definitely worth the shirt.
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That’s just an example I posted. There are plenty Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines jerseys that don’t say “veteran”.
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Rhetorical question: Being a human being isn't enough?!
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We all have to be boxed into something or other.
But for the OP the driver was right. Break the traffic rules expect to get called out on it.
But for the OP the driver was right. Break the traffic rules expect to get called out on it.
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And how about motorcycles? It is against the law for them to ride between lanes, yet I never see them being called out for it when they do it to avoid traffic.
Rules are meant to keep society in check, does not mean that they are absolute. Matter of fact is, the passenger in the car is just pissed off that they cannot do the same - simply run a stop sign. That and probably a general dislike for cyclists because they feel infringed upon (a la "how dare they make me slow down and wait to overtake them, they shouldn't be on the road").
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you have the “We have rights” bicycle crowd
so.. this was part of the equal and opposite crowd “Respect those rights crowd”
you have the “We have rights” bicycle crowd
so.. this was part of the equal and opposite crowd “Respect those rights crowd”
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I don't get yelled at much where I live in New York, but have spent some amount of time cycling in rural central Illinois. I used to get yelled at a lot until I started wearing a Marines jersey.
I suspect any jersey with US armed forces logos or wording on them will deter most people from yelling or otherwise harassing you.
Such as:
I suspect any jersey with US armed forces logos or wording on them will deter most people from yelling or otherwise harassing you.
Such as:
If that is the case, then what you're doing is wrong on many levels, and I would suggest you discontinue your use of that jersey.
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Don’t assume I’m not a veteran. At any rate, there are myriad jerseys with armed forces logos that make no such claims. You could substitute with a police jersey if you like. Or confederate jersey if in the south... or whatever works in your area. It is an effective tool that not only prevents yelling. I stopped getting coal rolled, swerved at, and having beer cans and other items thrown at me when I started regularly wearing my Marines jersey (not the one posted).
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Don’t assume I’m not a veteran. At any rate, there are myriad jerseys with armed forces logos that make no such claims. You could substitute with a police jersey if you like. Or confederate jersey if in the south... or whatever works in your area. It is an effective tool that not only prevents yelling. I stopped getting coal rolled, swerved at, and having beer cans and other items thrown at me when I started regularly wearing my Marines jersey (not the one posted).
I'm also not sure you aren't committing stolen valor just by wearing the logo. wouldn't personally wear any military logo because I think there's a clear implication that I am somehow involved with the service and I don't feel I've earned the right to make that misrepresentation. I'd be interested in hearing whether veterans and serving military (or their families) feel the same way.
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Does it actually matter if he is a veteran? If it stops him being abused and harassed, I would imagine no veteran would stand in his way to stop that abuse, if anything, be proud that the idea of having served (still) instils such a respect that people stop being abusive.
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Does it actually matter if he is a veteran? If it stops him being abused and harassed, I would imagine no veteran would stand in his way to stop that abuse, if anything, be proud that the idea of having served (still) instils such a respect that people stop being abusive.
Well, it's technically not a crime, but if you so much as accept a free cup of coffee based on a false representation of being a veteran, it is.
I don't think veterans are likely to see it the same way as you propose--they earned that respect. I, for one, have not and it would be wrong for me to claim it under any circumstances.
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Well, it's technically not a crime, but if you so much as accept a free cup of coffee based on a false representation of being a veteran, it is.
I don't think veterans are likely to see it the same way as you propose--they earned that respect. I, for one, have not and it would be wrong for me to claim it under any circumstances.
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I don't think veterans are likely to see it the same way as you propose--they earned that respect. I, for one, have not and it would be wrong for me to claim it under any circumstances.
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Im leaving my service out of it, because on the issue of the jersey as a self-defense tool, it is irrelevant. Would-be harassers have no idea who the wearer of the jersey is, and they certainly aren’t interested in stopping to question them about it. But even so, for someone who has not served, lying for self defense would be perfectly ethical, but yes it would be wrong to claim in other circumstances you are someone you are not. But anyone who would harass you from a motor vehicle is misjudging you. Wearing a jersey that appeals to them is just manipulating their misjudgement to something more positive (or possibly more fearful) in their eyes and keeps you safer.
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Im leaving my service out of it, because on the issue of the jersey as a self-defense tool, it is irrelevant. Would-be harassers have no idea who the wearer of the jersey is, and they certainly aren’t interested in stopping to question them about it. But even so, lying for self defense would be perfectly ethical. Anyone who would harass you is misjudging you. By wearing a jersey that appeals to them just sways their misjudgement to something more positive (or possibly more fearful) in their eyes.
One of you also got a "two wrongs make a right" argument in there, too. Mazel tov.
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These are both "ends justifying the means" arguments. Pick a different jersey that doesn't imply you deserve to be honored for something you didn't do. Assuming away the moral wrongness of the deception might satisfy your own personal values, but I doubt there's a lot of people who'd see it that way.
One of you also got a "two wrongs make a right" argument in there, too. Mazel tov.
One of you also got a "two wrongs make a right" argument in there, too. Mazel tov.
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I went for my Sunday ride this past weekend and was darn near plowed into by another cyclist! I was traveling in a bike lane past a housing track when a guy came out of the housing track from a downhill blast and right through a stop sign, directly in front of me. I avoided the impending collision, but was very angry in more ways than one. For one thing he could have caused serious injury to both of us, the other thing is , this is what gives the rest of us a bad image. Cyclists in my area mostly blow through stop signs and sometimes red lights and it angers me. I won't yell, it would do no good. It just bothers me that we are judged by those who cause inconvenience or dangerous situations to cars(or another cyclist!).
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These are both "ends justifying the means" arguments. Pick a different jersey that doesn't imply you deserve to be honored for something you didn't do. Assuming away the moral wrongness of the deception might satisfy your own personal values, but I doubt there's a lot of people who'd see it that way.
One of you also got a "two wrongs make a right" argument in there, too. Mazel tov.
One of you also got a "two wrongs make a right" argument in there, too. Mazel tov.
If you want your morals to let others suffer abuse despite an easy fix that harms no one except an idea, it means you place more value on an idea than preventing direct harm to someone. You say you believe most people would side with you? Probably, the idea of rags to riches / the American Dream is much more important than what actually happens to the majority of people, right? Ironically, every totalitarian regime ever also put ideas before people.
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Yea, I guess our morals are just different.
If you want your morals to let others suffer abuse despite an easy fix that harms no one except an idea, it means you place more value on an idea than preventing direct harm to someone. You say you believe most people would side with you? Probably, the idea of rags to riches / the American Dream is much more important than what actually happens to the majority of people, right? Ironically, every totalitarian regime ever also put ideas before people.
If you want your morals to let others suffer abuse despite an easy fix that harms no one except an idea, it means you place more value on an idea than preventing direct harm to someone. You say you believe most people would side with you? Probably, the idea of rags to riches / the American Dream is much more important than what actually happens to the majority of people, right? Ironically, every totalitarian regime ever also put ideas before people.
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I laugh at coal rolling--it happens to me a lot, and it's a pretty lame assault.
Don't dress up like a soldier if you aren't one, this isn't a tough moral question. The reason it's stolen valor is that if people do it regularly on the fake basis, people who really have earned the respect won't get it when everyone just starts to assume it's probably a lie.