Temptation to Cheat at Car-Lite
04-01-18, 11:46 AM
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Thing is, that's not the fault of religion. Banning religion doesn't ban hostility. More likely, just the opposite.That can be good or bad.I couldn't agree more, however, most people are ethnocentric and scoff at anything new. So if it isn't their way or what they're use to, then you're automatically wrong.
I was always taught to embrace other cultures and extend courtesies as far as I can so long as they don't violate my fundamental beliefs. I draw the line at human sacrifices.
I was always taught to embrace other cultures and extend courtesies as far as I can so long as they don't violate my fundamental beliefs. I draw the line at human sacrifices.
04-01-18, 11:59 AM
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Of course there is a temptation to cheat at trying to be car light... 
It's there every day I don't want to ride my bike because of weather 
... I jump into the car and go to Timmies and get my coffee driving, instead of pedalling, even tho I want to cut down on driving the car. Thus I am cheating myself as it would seem that I am not as car light as I want to be... 
It's there every day I don't want to ride my bike because of weather ... I jump into the car and go to Timmies and get my coffee driving, instead of pedalling, even tho I want to cut down on driving the car. Thus I am cheating myself as it would seem that I am not as car light as I want to be...
04-01-18, 12:40 PM
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You're only cheating if you say you're gong to live like your forefathers 150 years ago and then use modern day appliances. If they didn't have it then, you can't use it today. That's clear and present rule that's easily defined. However, my view is, don't bite off more than you can chew.
For example, I can say that if its 3 floors or less I won't use the elevator. But I would never claims an elevator free lifestyle in the 21st Century. That would be unpractical.
For example, I can say that if its 3 floors or less I won't use the elevator. But I would never claims an elevator free lifestyle in the 21st Century. That would be unpractical.
04-01-18, 01:10 PM
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You're only cheating if you say you're gong to live like your forefathers 150 years ago and then use modern day appliances. If they didn't have it then, you can't use it today. That's clear and present rule that's easily defined. However, my view is, don't bite off more than you can chew.
For example, I can say that if its 3 floors or less I won't use the elevator. But I would never claims an elevator free lifestyle in the 21st Century. That would be unpractical.
For example, I can say that if its 3 floors or less I won't use the elevator. But I would never claims an elevator free lifestyle in the 21st Century. That would be unpractical.
and then I would not have cheated and could drive whenever it rained and still conceder myself successful at being car light...
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04-01-18, 02:48 PM
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No, I am cheating because... Lets say I decided to make a life stile change, to ride my bicycle to get my hit of coffee instead of driving my car, then the first day it rained I drove my car... That is a fail in my book, because I could still have ridden my bike but didn't, because it was "easier/better". I cheated on the promise I made to myself to not use the car for getting coffee, yes I should have put a rainy day caveat in there, and then I would not have cheated and could drive whenever it rained and still conceder myself successful at being car light...
and then I would not have cheated and could drive whenever it rained and still conceder myself successful at being car light... Let us add the term LCF to the mix. When one rides in a car, or truck are they cheaters or failures?
So when you cheat what are you cheating for? What do you win by cheating?
04-01-18, 03:30 PM
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So if you replace failure with cheating is that so you can still be called car light rather than failing. People normally cheat to win rather than lose or fail.
Let us add the term LCF to the mix. When one rides in a car, or truck are they cheaters or failures?
So when you cheat what are you cheating for? What do you win by cheating?
Let us add the term LCF to the mix. When one rides in a car, or truck are they cheaters or failures?
So when you cheat what are you cheating for? What do you win by cheating?
You cheat and would fail because you didn't keep your promise to yourself to only ride the bicycle to get coffee.
But if you made the exemption to allow yourself to drive on rainy days you would still succeed in being car light because you ride the bike on most days and only drive the car on wet days which means you didn't cheat...
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04-01-18, 03:41 PM
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You cheat and would win by not getting wet.
You cheat and would fail because you didn't keep your promise to yourself to only ride the bicycle to get coffee.
But if you made the caveat to allow yourself to drive on rainy days you would still succeed in being car light because you ride the bike on most days and only drive the car on wet days which means you didn't cheat...
You cheat and would fail because you didn't keep your promise to yourself to only ride the bicycle to get coffee.
But if you made the caveat to allow yourself to drive on rainy days you would still succeed in being car light because you ride the bike on most days and only drive the car on wet days which means you didn't cheat...
Clear, when you cheat you fail at being car light. Got it. On those days are you car not car light?
04-01-18, 03:52 PM
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If the intention was to ride the bike more and not drive the car as much, then driving the car to get coffee on rainy days is NOT cheating as long as you ride the bike the other days...
04-01-18, 04:29 PM
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If the initial plan was that you would never use the car to get coffee, then getting coffee in your car would be ... a change of plan.
Seriously ... if a friend gives you a ride to an event in another city you really want to attend but could not ride to and back from in the time you have free .. . shouldn't you slit your never-again-car-free throat? or hang yourself with an old inner tube (add an entry to that thread as well.)
But if you do try to ride ... and draft a car briefly ... again, how can you call that "car-free"?
If while out riding you get hit by a car and break your bike so badly you cannot ride and break your body so badly you cannot walk ... you certainly can't get in an ambulance .. . you can't even call a cab, or a friend, to come pick you up. You just need to lie there until you are well enough to crawl home.
And if you get arrested for loitering after lying on the roadside for too long, and get taken to jail in a police cruiser ... you had best hang yourself in jail, because you have forever ruined your "car-free" status.
If all this sounds ridiculous ... great, now you see how i see most of the posts on this page.
I started car-free/car-lite decades ago .... I couldn't get up every morning and look in the mirror if I had such a silly set of moral strictures.
I Choose car-lite because it is my general preference. it is not my faith or my path or my Way, it is just my preference. And when it doesn't make sense, I make a different choice.
With all the abuse and incidental injury most people suffer on a daily basis, adding to that self-inflicted injury .... I don't see the sense.
If i want to be self-critical ... I would rather notice actual faults, which actually impede my growth and hinder others. Lacking compassion, being impatient, being to ready to bicker, dismissing people who have not thought through their lives and beliefs and cannot express themselves well .... those ar "faults" which I try to change.
I could never ride in a car for the rest of my life, it wouldn't make me a better person and really, it wouldn't make the world any better either.
Seriously ... if a friend gives you a ride to an event in another city you really want to attend but could not ride to and back from in the time you have free .. . shouldn't you slit your never-again-car-free throat? or hang yourself with an old inner tube (add an entry to that thread as well.)
But if you do try to ride ... and draft a car briefly ... again, how can you call that "car-free"?
If while out riding you get hit by a car and break your bike so badly you cannot ride and break your body so badly you cannot walk ... you certainly can't get in an ambulance .. . you can't even call a cab, or a friend, to come pick you up. You just need to lie there until you are well enough to crawl home.
And if you get arrested for loitering after lying on the roadside for too long, and get taken to jail in a police cruiser ... you had best hang yourself in jail, because you have forever ruined your "car-free" status.
If all this sounds ridiculous ... great, now you see how i see most of the posts on this page.
I started car-free/car-lite decades ago .... I couldn't get up every morning and look in the mirror if I had such a silly set of moral strictures.
I Choose car-lite because it is my general preference. it is not my faith or my path or my Way, it is just my preference. And when it doesn't make sense, I make a different choice.
With all the abuse and incidental injury most people suffer on a daily basis, adding to that self-inflicted injury .... I don't see the sense.
If i want to be self-critical ... I would rather notice actual faults, which actually impede my growth and hinder others. Lacking compassion, being impatient, being to ready to bicker, dismissing people who have not thought through their lives and beliefs and cannot express themselves well .... those ar "faults" which I try to change.
I could never ride in a car for the rest of my life, it wouldn't make me a better person and really, it wouldn't make the world any better either.
04-01-18, 05:04 PM
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If the initial plan was that you would never use the car to get coffee, then getting coffee in your car would be ... a change of plan.
Seriously ... if a friend gives you a ride to an event in another city you really want to attend but could not ride to and back from in the time you have free .. . shouldn't you slit your never-again-car-free throat? or hang yourself with an old inner tube (add an entry to that thread as well.)
But if you do try to ride ... and draft a car briefly ... again, how can you call that "car-free"?
If while out riding you get hit by a car and break your bike so badly you cannot ride and break your body so badly you cannot walk ... you certainly can't get in an ambulance .. . you can't even call a cab, or a friend, to come pick you up. You just need to lie there until you are well enough to crawl home.
And if you get arrested for loitering after lying on the roadside for too long, and get taken to jail in a police cruiser ... you had best hang yourself in jail, because you have forever ruined your "car-free" status.
If all this sounds ridiculous ... great, now you see how i see most of the posts on this page.
I started car-free/car-lite decades ago .... I couldn't get up every morning and look in the mirror if I had such a silly set of moral strictures.
I Choose car-lite because it is my general preference. it is not my faith or my path or my Way, it is just my preference. And when it doesn't make sense, I make a different choice.
With all the abuse and incidental injury most people suffer on a daily basis, adding to that self-inflicted injury .... I don't see the sense.
If i want to be self-critical ... I would rather notice actual faults, which actually impede my growth and hinder others. Lacking compassion, being impatient, being to ready to bicker, dismissing people who have not thought through their lives and beliefs and cannot express themselves well .... those ar "faults" which I try to change.
I could never ride in a car for the rest of my life, it wouldn't make me a better person and really, it wouldn't make the world any better either.
Seriously ... if a friend gives you a ride to an event in another city you really want to attend but could not ride to and back from in the time you have free .. . shouldn't you slit your never-again-car-free throat? or hang yourself with an old inner tube (add an entry to that thread as well.)
But if you do try to ride ... and draft a car briefly ... again, how can you call that "car-free"?
If while out riding you get hit by a car and break your bike so badly you cannot ride and break your body so badly you cannot walk ... you certainly can't get in an ambulance .. . you can't even call a cab, or a friend, to come pick you up. You just need to lie there until you are well enough to crawl home.
And if you get arrested for loitering after lying on the roadside for too long, and get taken to jail in a police cruiser ... you had best hang yourself in jail, because you have forever ruined your "car-free" status.
If all this sounds ridiculous ... great, now you see how i see most of the posts on this page.
I started car-free/car-lite decades ago .... I couldn't get up every morning and look in the mirror if I had such a silly set of moral strictures.
I Choose car-lite because it is my general preference. it is not my faith or my path or my Way, it is just my preference. And when it doesn't make sense, I make a different choice.
With all the abuse and incidental injury most people suffer on a daily basis, adding to that self-inflicted injury .... I don't see the sense.
If i want to be self-critical ... I would rather notice actual faults, which actually impede my growth and hinder others. Lacking compassion, being impatient, being to ready to bicker, dismissing people who have not thought through their lives and beliefs and cannot express themselves well .... those ar "faults" which I try to change.
I could never ride in a car for the rest of my life, it wouldn't make me a better person and really, it wouldn't make the world any better either.
Last edited by 350htrr; 04-01-18 at 05:16 PM.
04-01-18, 06:02 PM
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Choosing to be "car-light" and proceeding to actually do so is somehow "cheating"?
The constant drone of disapproval and hair-shirted righteousness over what are simple everyday choices in transportation has the stink of self-righteous pseudo-aestheticism in the LCF sub-forum.
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The constant drone of disapproval and hair-shirted righteousness over what are simple everyday choices in transportation has the stink of self-righteous pseudo-aestheticism in the LCF sub-forum.
-Bandera
04-01-18, 06:28 PM
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Choosing to be "car-light" and proceeding to actually do so is somehow "cheating"?
The constant drone of disapproval and hair-shirted righteousness over what are simple everyday choices in transportation has the stink of self-righteous pseudo-aestheticism in the LCF sub-forum.
-Bandera
The constant drone of disapproval and hair-shirted righteousness over what are simple everyday choices in transportation has the stink of self-righteous pseudo-aestheticism in the LCF sub-forum.
-Bandera
Holly sheite, I actually agree with reducing the cars footprint in our society, Meaning trying to live life LCF... It's the how we count it, meaning it's a + towards car-light that I am trying to address... It's personal, it's fluctuating, it's depending on circumstance, it's... I am F'n speechless...
04-01-18, 06:48 PM
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04-02-18, 07:35 AM
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No it's not the general tone. If you read the thread, most people don't go along with the notion that certain instances of car use by an LCL person are "cheating". And even those who do somewhat go along with it are saying it only applies as a self-criticism for people who are not meeting standards or objectives they set for themselves. And even then, they are still living car-light, just not as car-light as they as individuals expected of themselves.
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04-02-18, 08:50 AM
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No it's not the general tone. If you read the thread, most people don't go along with the notion that certain instances of car use by an LCL person are "cheating". And even those who do somewhat go along with it are saying it only applies as a self-criticism for people who are not meeting standards or objectives they set for themselves. And even then, they are still living car-light, just not as car-light as they as individuals expected of themselves.
Here in LCF, it seems that when a person says they "cheated" by using a car I too think they mean they think they cheated themselves, they cheated on their expectations on how car light they wanted to be...
04-02-18, 11:36 AM
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cheating (present participle)
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
If you drive you F350 to coffee I wouldn’t say you are dishonest. I might if you did it and lied about it but that still wouldn’t seem like cheating to me.
04-02-18, 12:17 PM
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I just think the concept of cheating is being stretched too poetically to be understood. To ask a group if they are tempted to cheat there needs to be a standard to measure against. It is like the words lying or stealing. It has a definition that is not nebulous. When you say you cheat at golf I would understand just what you were talking about. However I might not understand if you said you cheated by wearing gloves or not wearing gloves while playing the game.
cheating (present participle)
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
If you drive you F350 to coffee I wouldn’t say you are dishonest. I might if you did it and lied about it but that still wouldn’t seem like cheating to me.
cheating (present participle)
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
If you drive you F350 to coffee I wouldn’t say you are dishonest. I might if you did it and lied about it but that still wouldn’t seem like cheating to me.
That is how I would interpret a car light person that said they "cheated" or was tempted to "cheat" in this thread...EDIT; And, I actually do feel like I am cheating when I drive my Big-Assed diesel 3/4 to the coffee shop instead of my Prius, or better yet my bicycle, as that is where I want to end up when I manage to improve my LCL standards...
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04-02-18, 12:43 PM
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It's not whether you or I would think they cheated at being car light, it's the person saying they cheated... Meaning they think that they "cheated" themselves by their standard of what car light means to them, by using a car once too often, or even wanting to use a car sometimes even if the don't actually use one, that is the premise of this thread I believe. That is how I would interpret a car light person that said they "cheated" or was tempted to "cheat" in this thread...
EDIT; And, I actually do feel like I am cheating when I drive my Big-Assed diesel 3/4 to the coffee shop instead of my Prius, or better yet my bicycle, as that is where I want to end up when I manage to improve my LCL standards...
That is how I would interpret a car light person that said they "cheated" or was tempted to "cheat" in this thread...EDIT; And, I actually do feel like I am cheating when I drive my Big-Assed diesel 3/4 to the coffee shop instead of my Prius, or better yet my bicycle, as that is where I want to end up when I manage to improve my LCL standards...
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04-02-18, 01:25 PM
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No, I do NOT cheat at cards, or at anything else or anyone else for that matter...
Two TOTALLY different kinds of "cheating"...
04-02-18, 03:51 PM
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I get what you are saying even if I feel it is a way to try avoid admitting failure of a goal. And I am not sure in the case of Car Light that many people could fail at the goal of driving less if that is what car light is.
I will let you off the hook and not ask the prosecutors to file fraud charges in the case of you car lightness status.
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04-02-18, 04:42 PM
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To a degree this has been interesting. I will admit it was a bit like an interrogation. Still in effect if someone can't adhere to their own rules on a game or lifestyle they invented for themselves do they have to start over once they fail? Is it like AA where someone would have to say "my name is XXXXX and I have been car light two days. I cheated Saturday and now I have only been car light till Monday. I don't believe that has been the definition of car light since I started following these threads.
I get what you are saying even if I feel it is a way to try avoid admitting failure of a goal. And I am not sure in the case of Car Light that many people could fail at the goal of driving less if that is what car light is.
I will let you off the hook and not ask the prosecutors to file fraud charges in the case of you car lightness status.
I get what you are saying even if I feel it is a way to try avoid admitting failure of a goal. And I am not sure in the case of Car Light that many people could fail at the goal of driving less if that is what car light is.
I will let you off the hook and not ask the prosecutors to file fraud charges in the case of you car lightness status.
and, it's not the car light definition that counts per say (as there isn't any), it's the person's definition that he or she made up, to try and live by... I think. There was a thread (poll) a few years ago that tried to pin down what "car light" meant to most people and I believe it ranged from using a car anywhere from 3 days a year to 52 days a year with a few people saying way more... and I mean way, way more...
EDIT; and That is exactly how it works, at least for me trying to be car light, one week fantastic, and the next week I find myself using my truck to get coffee (and not riding my bike witch is what I said to myself that I would do) when the wife is using her Prius...
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04-02-18, 05:10 PM
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May I recommend a coffee maker for the car? That way when the desire to drive to get a cup arises, one can get in ones motorized vehicle and instead of igniting the engine, brew a cup of espresso. You will get your coffee faster with no driving at all!
04-02-18, 05:28 PM
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04-03-18, 11:09 PM
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04-04-18, 12:34 AM
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The easiest way is to drop your car insurance.
I presume that if I really need to drive, I can re-up my auto insurance... but that is also a big expensive hassle
Oops, the registration has also expired.
Start posting on the commuting distance page...
https://www.bikeforums.net/commuting...ge-thread.html
Whew, I've got to get in a few more rides,
otherwise I'll never keep up.
I presume that if I really need to drive, I can re-up my auto insurance... but that is also a big expensive hassle
Oops, the registration has also expired.
Start posting on the commuting distance page...
https://www.bikeforums.net/commuting...ge-thread.html
Whew, I've got to get in a few more rides,
otherwise I'll never keep up. I'm fairly confident I can get by, for the rest of my life without driving again, in this part of the world anyway.