bbbean 

Are those different from good Jewish morals, good Buddhist morals, or good atheist morals? Seems to me no specific religion is required to be moral and decent.

BB

WhyFi

Yeah, pretty much everything boils down to "don't be a dick," so wha's the difference?

vinnyvincent

I just started riding and passed by my first cyclist fixing a flat the other day.

He looked like he really knew what he was doing and he was moving quickly as if he had everything he needed to do the job. Should I have asked anyways?

To be honest coming from a motorcycling background, cyclists seem a little less social so far. Almost no one waves back and what I am reading now is that waving for cyclists is "uncool"?

hatrack71

Seriously? I see you guys won't let this be. If you think an atheist has good morals.. go ahead. My position is stated and not subject to change. Argue all you want about it to me.. you are wasting your breath. Call me racist, homophobic..whatever if it makes you feel better. I'm not changing my stance now or ever.

vinnyvincent

So wait a minute...are you saying because a person is an atheist, that has any bearing at all on whether or not they would stop to help someone?

hatrack71

Yes. I knew a few atheists. They tend to think of themselves as God and are not very helpful or even attentive to others.. we are reflections of our faith. If you are God-less, it shows. I really can't explain it but I can tell just from meeting someone and speaking with them for a bit. I definitely know my Christian brothers and sisters.

leob1

I always ask if somebody needs help. If somebody is all kitted out, it'll be a quick 'you ok?', the usual answer is 'yes, fine'. Good enough for me, happy trails buddy. If somebody is in jean and a t-shirt it's a direct 'Do you need any Help?' . It's 50/50 if they need help or not. I've fixed every thing from broken chains(I carry a chain tool, sometimes), a dropped and tangled chain(hot girl, but her hands where a black mess from her trying to untangle it herself), to a basic flat. It doesn't cost much to be nice.

WhyFi

lol.

bbbean 

To be specific, if we look to the one true way of the word (Velominati ? The Rules), rule 43 is pretty specific on this issue.

caloso

See also Rule 83.

• Rule #83//Be self-sufficient.
  
  
  Unless you are followed by a team car, you will repair your own punctures. You will do so expediently, employing your own skills, using your own equipment, and without complaining that your expensive tyres are too tight for your puny thumbs to fit over your expensive rim. The fate of a rider who has failed to equip himself pursuant to Rule #31, or who knows not how to use said equipment, shall be determined at the discretion of any accompanying or approaching rider in accordance with Rule #84.
  
  
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JetBadger

I always offer help because it is the kind thing to do. This reminds me of a situation I encountered last summer...

I stopped in the middle of a solo ride to pee in the forest (I know, not the best etiquette...). Right after I stopped a group ride came by. The group was large and split into smaller groups so I had to wait about 5 min for them all to pass between the different packs. In each pack someone looked at me and asked if I needed help, simply because I was stopped on the side of the road. I thought this was very kind, although what I really needed was them to hurry on by me so I could go do my business!

... must have been a church group

indyfabz

I'll give this thread one more page.

Now it's time for this Godless heathen to ride his bike. On the way to the MUP I will chase a few old ladies out of the crosswalks. And if they what's best for them, the geese will stay out of my way, too.

JetBadger

Don't you just hate it when those darn atheists hold themselves up on a pedestal and think they are better then you, simply because of their belief system? It is almost like they automatically judge those who think differently then them. It really grinds my gears...

topslop1

I don't know how to fix a flat and I don't carry anything to fix a flat - partly because of the first part. If you see me on the side of the road please help and I will be thankful, but more so it will allow me to learn a valuable skill that I didn't know before. Teach this man to fish, know what I'm sayin'? Yes, I am ignorant, yes I should learn on my own.

indyfabz

Superb.

vinnyvincent

Dude...most of the biggest scumbag crooks/drug addicts I've met were "christians"...

hatrack71

I don't think I'm better than anybody. You are not understanding. These are the types of personalities that gravitate towards atheism...seemingly in my experience with the few I've met. Their whole precipice is there is NOT a power greater than themselves. Do you get that?

Ratzinger

Everybody starts somewhere. If you're stuck on the road a need help, make eye contact with other cyclists and maybe a friendly wave. Somebody is sure to help.

Once you fix a couple flats, it will become the simplest thing. It's not a bad idea to check out some youtube videos and practice at home, before you get stuck out there on the road.

Also, lol@ this religious conversation. It's kind of discouraging to read some of the more judgemental stuff but the encouraging thing I have to remember is that most Christians I know have deep respect for people of other religions and wouldn't consider themselves equipped to declare themselves better than someone else based on a simple label or category.

hatrack71

[QUOTE=vinnyvincent;18602092]Dude...most of the biggest scumbag crooks/drug addicts I've met were "christians"...[/QUOTE

Why am I defending Christianity? Look at the state of affairs today and the indifference people have to each other. And it's because the younger generation is moving away from God and Christianity in this nation. I'm starting to think you guys are a bunch of brainwashed Kinsey liberals. :^)

Nachoman

or they shall be stricken down by the might of HIS wrath.

topslop1

Listen buddy, you better not give those Christian scumbums a logical run for their money alright. How are they just going to run around promoting their faith just 'because' when you're pointing fingers and asking questions. You better get in line, praise Jesus, and stop asking questions before you offend someone.

And for the record, sometimes I chat with folks for a little bit and get a weird sense of irrational optimism from them that when presenting them with the drab realities of a situation. I can't really explain it, it's just this weird glow that makes me think they're just a little bit dull-headed.

Disclaimer: I have helped people even while not Christian. Faith doesn't have a damn thing to do with doing the right thing. Right thing does not equal faith either.

I don't murder someone because I'm afraid of God's wraith. I don't murder someone cuz it's just a ****ty to do.

WalksOn2Wheels

****

badger1

Ah HAH -- so that's why 'they' are Fallen??

Oh, and ****

Seattle Forrest

After all those priests sexually abused the younger generation, what do you expect?

vinnyvincent

[QUOTE=hatrack71;18602124]I don't think the problem is Christianity... The problem is intolerance of others beliefs. Using your logic I could say that a certain personally type would gravitate towards the belief that any sun they commit could simply be erased by asking for forgiveness...

The reality is that religion is more dynamic than that and people gravitate to certain religions for a variety of reasons. Who are you to judge? Let the who is without sin cast the first stone bro...