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Old 07-23-19, 10:47 PM
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A little help?

An interesting situation just arose:



I don't know how interesting, however, since I'm not a Bianchi expert and don't know all the dating details and certainly am not up to speed on the details separating the upper-end models.

For the time being, this is the only pic I have. I see a Columbus tubing decal, but can't tell exactly what type - could be Aelle. Seems to be a triangular decal (Columbus fork?) in the place one would normally find a rectangular one. Modolo brakes seem to indicate below uppermost tier, but all else seems to be Campy - the front hub looks like a Phil Wood. BB tunnels underneath shell, clamp on FD.

Anyone have any idea as to the model? Year?

Thanks!

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Those chrome lugs sure make the frame look like a supercorsa or superlegera.
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Not a Bianchi expert, but looks like a nice broom.

Pre-CPSC rear skewers suggests pre-1978, but the below BB cable routing and front skewer suggests perhaps a bit later? Single water bottle mounts also suggest no later than mid-80s. Gorgeous chrome lugs and seat stay caps. Sort of a hodge-podge. I wish we could see a ds shot. Wheelset seems mismatched: mix of pre- and post-CPSC skewers. Front hub looks Phil Wood-esque, but not sure, and different from rear? Dig those Modolo brakes.

I suspect the frame is too large for you based on your other bikes.

Rear brake cable length is offensive.
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Old 07-23-19, 11:18 PM
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Piaggio sticker would mean post-1980 if original, and it does look like an early Piaggio frame. It could have been stripped down to a frame only, then built up with period correctish parts, or the owner just liked black parts.
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Originally Posted by Kuromori
Those chrome lugs sure make the frame look like a supercorsa or superlegera.
See, this is my problem, I don't know the details. I figured chrome head lugs would be uppermost tier, but am not conversant with the order for such Bianchis as Supercorsa, Superleggera or Campione del Monde, etc. I figure this is higher up the food chain, but to be honest, the Modolos throw me if this was originally sold as a complete bike. Same goes for what I think are Phil hubs.

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Old 07-23-19, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gaucho777
Not a Bianchi expert, but looks like a nice broom.

Pre-CPSC rear skewers suggests pre-1978, but the below BB cable routing and front skewer suggests perhaps a bit later? Single water bottle mounts also suggest no later than mid-80s. Gorgeous chrome lugs and seat stay caps. Sort of a hodge-podge. I wish we could see a ds shot. Wheelset seems mismatched: mix of pre- and post-CPSC skewers. Front hub looks Phil Wood-esque, but not sure, and different from rear? Dig those Modolo brakes.

I suspect the frame is too large for you based on your other bikes.

Rear brake cable length is offensive.
It might be the non-drive shot, but it appears to be close for size. I'll know more when I get my tape measure out. Wheelset is most likely a match (the rims both say Ambrosio, anyway, tho the rear hub is hard to discern), but the QR levers don't match. Could surely use a DS pic, but it appears everything else but the Modolo brakes and placeholder pedals is Campy. As far as dating it by the components I'd say that's a fool's game - it's much more likely one of our Bianchi experts will date it by the frame details.

I've always said if I had a grail bike anymore it would be a high-end Bianchi. Maybe I've found one? Oh, and I'll take care of that rear brake housing toot-sweet if I add this to my stable

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There is the chance that the owner just liked black parts, which would explain why all the parts that don't match up are black.
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Originally Posted by Kuromori
There is the chance that the owner just liked black parts, which would explain why all the parts that don't match up are black.
Oh, it's not the color but the manufacturer. It seemed to me that in the early 80s many bikes were offered in varying degrees of Campy/whatever mix. I thought this might be one of those offerings. After doing some more looking around online, I've been able to find some spec-sheets and some pics that seem to suggest this is either a Supercorsa or Superleggera. According to the catalog info I've found, the frames were essentially the same and the component selection distinguished the two.

Also possible that the frame was purchased alone and the parts were spec'd to the PO's ideal. In the end, if I can ascertain it's an SC or SL I think I'll take a flyer.

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I meant that the original owner decided to swap out the original silver catalog spec parts for black parts, the stem, brakes and wheels, none of which are the same make as catalog spec but all are black.
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Ah, okay - I understand now where you were going. Sure, if this was a complete bike anybody could've swapped out stuff. I'm sure the wheelset was not OEM, for example, if sold as a complete bike.

I am really hoping someone can confirm it's an SC or SL. Then I'll know what to do

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
Ah, okay - I understand now where you were going. Sure, if this was a complete bike anybody could've swapped out stuff. I'm sure the wheelset was not OEM, for example, if sold as a complete bike.

I am really hoping someone can confirm it's an SC or SL. Then I'll know what to do

DD
I hear you on the Modolos, but everything else on this frame seems to indicate higher-end. Someone splurged with Super Record here, and the black Cinelli 1R and wrapped leather bars can't be all bad. I'd be curious if the clamps under the leather are Modolo, or Campagnolo shoved into the Modolo levers.

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I'd love to have it and give it the attention it deserves, no matter what model/year it is. Its a much-finer bike than my old Volpe, clearly.
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Modolo brakes on a "good" bike...

I can't confirm anything,but... Don't worry too much about the brakes, gents. The Modolo brakes in question are the "professional" (marked "intern pat"), they were the same as the "master pro" but without the titanium bits and 24k gold plated washers. - The master pro being regarded by some as superior to... yep.*

These might have been considered more like a cross grade, than a downgrade.




*Greg LeMond and a few other notable riders (Hinault, Fignon, etc.)used Master Pros....

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When I see Bianchi, all I see is green. Those things confuse me.
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Originally Posted by robbietunes
when i see bianchi, all i see is green. Those things confuse me.
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With the chrome accents I think it could be a 1979 Super-Leggera, before 79 would have Campy brake cable clamps. What is funk is the placement of the Columbus decal at the shifters, all I've seen have been at the seatlug. The Piaggio decal postdates the frame a few years. I do not recognize the decal under the seatlug. The modolo is not spec to the bike.
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The side of the rear hub through the dropout cutout looks black - maybe a phil wood hub as well? Or just a dirty hub side.

Super record crankset looks like.

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With a better thread title @bianchigirl probably would have been here already to help out.
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DD, Celeste, top to bottom, but...
Apparently Bianchi chromed seat stay caps, a detail that came and went... 79-82, only found on the SL, and SC. Oh, and nice Pista. I got curious, would not bet the farm, but what I found...
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Originally Posted by Last ride 76
DD, Celeste, top to bottom, but...
Apparently Bianchi chromed seat stay caps, a detail that came and went... 79-82, only found on the SL, and SC. Oh, and nice Pista. I got curious, would not bet the farm, but what I found...
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The 1982 had the hockey stick logo.
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66
The 1982 had the hockey stick logo.
So only 3 years? or did it start in '78. Short term memory flickering:

Edit: Thx, the chrome stayed, as Mr. 66 pointed out, but switched to "hockey stick" logo (in '83 Saarf website shows 82 racing catalog still with Bianchi spelled out.) Phew, short term memory unchanged, but I need reading glasses to see detail, I knew that.

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Pretty, but too small for me (And judging by the amount of seatpost too tall for the current owner). Super helpful, I know.
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66
With the chrome accents I think it could be a 1979 Super-Leggera, before 79 would have Campy brake cable clamps. What is funk is the placement of the Columbus decal at the shifters, all I've seen have been at the seatlug. The Piaggio decal postdates the frame a few years. I do not recognize the decal under the seatlug. The modolo is not spec to the bike.
Thanks! And yeah, the location of the Columbus decal - and whatever the triangular decal is at the top of the seat tube - was throwing me, too. After searching around for images I found a number that show the decal in the same position as here, so I'm a little more confident this is an SC or SL and the tubing is in fact Columbus SL.

I'm just hoping it's not too big. It still looks the right size in my eye (I eyeball it by considering the distance between the two head lugs) and I'll honestly be disappointed if it won't fit. While not going cheap, it's not in the stratosphere, either. Hmmm...

DD

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Originally Posted by Narhay
The side of the rear hub through the dropout cutout looks black - maybe a phil wood hub as well? Or just a dirty hub side.

Super record crankset looks like.
I thought the same thing, and the other end seems to indicate a Phil Wood flange, too (I've owned a pair or two). Cranks are SR - I can just make out the logo when I zoom in.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
I hear you on the Modolos, but everything else on this frame seems to indicate higher-end. Someone splurged with Super Record here, and the black Cinelli 1R and wrapped leather bars can't be all bad. I'd be curious if the clamps under the leather are Modolo, or Campagnolo shoved into the Modolo levers.

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Agreed - and you know what, I also thought that was an Almarc leather covering, but when zooming in on the pic on my laptop, I can just make out some lines, like it's some sort of tape instead. I wonder about the clamps, too. Would they be compatible with Campy?

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