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Old 10-06-19, 09:26 PM
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I am a big believer in Proviz's reflective products.
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Good job, @BobbyG! I'm not willing to put reflective clothing on, beyond things on my ankles. It's too much trouble for me. The other exception is that I do wear a reflective vest when I ride the e-trike, which is my part-time job. I do it not only for visibility but also to mark me as "I'm workin' here!"
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Originally Posted by FiftySix
Black reflective strips on tires? I haven't seen that until now. Looks good in the daylight photos.

I'd like to see photos of the black and the white reflective strips next to each other in a night photo.
I might be able to do that but not this week.

This is what they look like on the tyre:


And with flash on:


They are just a tiny bit less "white" as the regular version but still show up really well.
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I don't do a lot on the wheels, but try to find at least taillights that have some lateral visibility. I do like my shoe lights (https://www.nighttechgear.com/products/night-runner-270).

I have been looking for better rear cuff lights. I found some spurs which may be OK with some shoes, but my cycling shoes don't have very big heels.

For wheels, some brands of tires have reflective strips. I think Schwalbe Marathons and Panaracer TourGuard both have reflective strips. Probably other brands with commuter tires.
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Originally Posted by FiftySix
Black reflective strips on tires? I haven't seen that until now. Looks good in the daylight photos.

I'd like to see photos of the black and the white reflective strips next to each other in a night photo.
Same here, my exact reaction. If they're still bright enough, I'd much rather have a black appearance that reflects when shone on. Based on the pictures, I think I want this now.
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Originally Posted by JaccoW
I might be able to do that but not this week.

This is what they look like on the tyre:


And with flash on:


They are just a tiny bit less "white" as the regular version but still show up really well.
Looks very promising. Thank you for the photos so far.
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I had some leftover retro-reflective tape from when I outfitted my daughter's stroller, so I cut 4 pieces of it and placed it on the opposing side of the rim, like this, but not all the way around:



As a driver I find that reflectors moving up and down attract more attention than a fully-reflective sidewall (although that's pretty good as well). Plus I don't really want to be a moving light show, that is actually quite distracting. You can get all kinds of retro-reflective tape off Amazon, in all kinds of colors, including gray/black.
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I have reflective sidewalls on my bike (Continental Contact II), as well as several FLECTR products I have picked up via their Kickstarter campaigns (FLECTR 360 OMNI on the rims, FLECTR VORTEX on my cranks). I have hit the bike with the beam of a flash light several times while camping, and the light reflected back is blinding, even from ~100 meters away.
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Have to declare an interest here, but I had such a problem with side-visibility whilst commuting in London that I designed my own light, The Orb.

It's a bike light and bidon, with USB charged LEDs in the lid which illuminate the bottle (you can also drink from it as normal).

By being in the centre of the bike, it also highlights the pedalling motion of your legs, so drivers see that biological movement and recognise you as a cyclist.

www.orb.bike/about-the-orb/
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Originally Posted by Andrew1240
Have to declare an interest here, but I had such a problem with side-visibility whilst commuting in London that I designed my own light, The Orb.

It's a bike light and bidon, with USB charged LEDs in the lid which illuminate the bottle (you can also drink from it as normal).

By being in the centre of the bike, it also highlights the pedalling motion of your legs, so drivers see that biological movement and recognise you as a cyclist.

www.orb.bike/about-the-orb/
This is a very good idea. Kind of surprised no-one has done it before. Think I'm going to get myself one for Christmas. I have excellent reflective clothing (I personally like Proviz) but no side lighting. Looking forward to checking it out.
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I got some ankle bands with lights in them for something like $2 on ebay. Each band uses two CR2032 cells. The ankle motion should be a good attention grabber.

I also put reflective tape all around my pedals. My pedals didn't come with reflectors.

One of these days, I want someone to ride my bike with all my gadgets so I can observe it myself.
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Originally Posted by TXBDan
I'm looking to brigten up my profile view now that it's getting dark during the commutes. I currently have front and rear blinkies, another brighter constant front light, and a rear helmet light that slowly pulses or is steady. I also wear a hiviz yellow jacket.

Should i just throw the stock reflectors back on the wheels? I know there's all sorts of spoke lights, tape, leg bands, etc. What's good?
I'm currently slipping into my asbestos undies because I can hear the flame throwers lighting up right now but I take a very different tack on side reflectors...

They are mostly useless.

That said, I do have them on my bikes but only because it is required by my state's traffic laws...as it is in all other US states. But, in terms of effectiveness, they are very ineffective. The angle of an automobile light that will illuminate them is too shallow. Even a CPSC study agrees. I came to my conclusions before reading the study but they reach much the same conclusion which is backed up by data. From their conclusion (see page 18 of the report which is on page 21 on the link), there is no side treatment that could be detected in less than 200 feet by an approaching vehicle. Most of the side reflectors had closer to 150 feet of detection. To give some indication of what that means, at 30mph, a car covers about 150 feet in 3 seconds (44 feet/second).

And the time of detection is greatly reduced if the sight lines aren't clear. Many of the streets that I commute on at night have fences, plantings, or other landscaping obstructions right up to the corner. The clear line of sight for a car is about the size of a sidewalk and a parking strip. The total distance is roughly 12 feet before the car's lights can illuminate any kind of side reflector.

The CPSC study was done in the late 90s. Things haven't improved any since then either. If anything, the angle of the light from a car's headlamps is more constrained given the more highly focused beams that have become prevalent today. With the lower angle of light, the beam from a headlamp doesn't illuminate as high anymore so any obstruction at a corner is blocking even more light than it did 20 years ago.

Active lighting might be better but, again, the distance at which they can be seen is rather small and would also be impacted by obstructions at intersections. A bright front light and/or one that can be moved to aim at the drivers (i.e. a helmet light) is more effective than any kind of side reflector or side light.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I'm currently slipping into my asbestos undies because I can hear the flame throwers lighting up right now but I take a very different tack on side reflectors...

They are mostly useless.

That said, I do have them on my bikes but only because it is required by my state's traffic laws...as it is in all other US states. But, in terms of effectiveness, they are very ineffective. The angle of an automobile light that will illuminate them is too shallow. Even a CPSC study agrees. I came to my conclusions before reading the study but they reach much the same conclusion which is backed up by data. From their conclusion (see page 18 of the report which is on page 21 on the link), there is no side treatment that could be detected in less than 200 feet by an approaching vehicle. Most of the side reflectors had closer to 150 feet of detection. To give some indication of what that means, at 30mph, a car covers about 150 feet in 3 seconds (44 feet/second).

And the time of detection is greatly reduced if the sight lines aren't clear. Many of the streets that I commute on at night have fences, plantings, or other landscaping obstructions right up to the corner. The clear line of sight for a car is about the size of a sidewalk and a parking strip. The total distance is roughly 12 feet before the car's lights can illuminate any kind of side reflector.

The CPSC study was done in the late 90s. Things haven't improved any since then either. If anything, the angle of the light from a car's headlamps is more constrained given the more highly focused beams that have become prevalent today. With the lower angle of light, the beam from a headlamp doesn't illuminate as high anymore so any obstruction at a corner is blocking even more light than it did 20 years ago.

Active lighting might be better but, again, the distance at which they can be seen is rather small and would also be impacted by obstructions at intersections. A bright front light and/or one that can be moved to aim at the drivers (i.e. a helmet light) is more effective than any kind of side reflector or side light.
And this is precisely why I have an 1100-lumen light mounted on my helmet at all times. If somebody runs a light or a stop sign, which happens with great regularity in my city just voted as having the worst drivers in the nation, and I happen to see this, all I have to do to get their immediate attention is look at the driver directly. Believe me, it does get their attention. I can't quote you any fancy statistics, sadly, but I do believe this maneuver has saved my *** on more than one occasion. This assumes, of course, that I see the vehicle or cyclist or pedestrian in time. Because if I don't, well then, none of this really matters. I am going down with all my fancy lights into a big pile on the pavement. Which is why I ride with the paranoia of a schizophrenic on a meth bender at every moment. Just trying to give myself every chance to make it.
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@cyccommute is right that reflectors don't do much. I use them anyway because they can't hurt. By saying that, I back it up by also using lights. My spoke light is dim, but it's a big attention grabber. I get compliments on it. It uses two CR2016 cells.
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Originally Posted by noglider
@cyccommute is right that reflectors don't do much. I use them anyway because they can't hurt. By saying that, I back it up by also using lights. My spoke light is dim, but it's a big attention grabber. I get compliments on it. It uses two CR2016 cells.
"Be seen" lights don't need to be especially bright, especially if there is motion.
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Originally Posted by BobbyG
"Be seen" lights don't need to be especially bright, especially if there is motion.
Sorry but if lights aren’t bright they can’t “be seen”...especially in an urban environment where they have to compete will lots and lots of other light sources.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I'm currently slipping into my asbestos undies because I can hear the flame throwers lighting up right now but I take a very different tack on side reflectors...

They are mostly useless.

That said, I do have them on my bikes but only because it is required by my state's traffic laws...as it is in all other US states. But, in terms of effectiveness, they are very ineffective. The angle of an automobile light that will illuminate them is too shallow. Even a CPSC study agrees. I came to my conclusions before reading the study but they reach much the same conclusion which is backed up by data. From their conclusion (see page 18 of the report which is on page 21 on the link), there is no side treatment that could be detected in less than 200 feet by an approaching vehicle. Most of the side reflectors had closer to 150 feet of detection. To give some indication of what that means, at 30mph, a car covers about 150 feet in 3 seconds (44 feet/second).

And the time of detection is greatly reduced if the sight lines aren't clear. Many of the streets that I commute on at night have fences, plantings, or other landscaping obstructions right up to the corner. The clear line of sight for a car is about the size of a sidewalk and a parking strip. The total distance is roughly 12 feet before the car's lights can illuminate any kind of side reflector.

The CPSC study was done in the late 90s. Things haven't improved any since then either. If anything, the angle of the light from a car's headlamps is more constrained given the more highly focused beams that have become prevalent today. With the lower angle of light, the beam from a headlamp doesn't illuminate as high anymore so any obstruction at a corner is blocking even more light than it did 20 years ago.

Active lighting might be better but, again, the distance at which they can be seen is rather small and would also be impacted by obstructions at intersections. A bright front light and/or one that can be moved to aim at the drivers (i.e. a helmet light) is more effective than any kind of side reflector or side light.
You may be right, and this is just my personal experience, but when driving I find bikes with spoke reflectors quite visible, much more than those without them.
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Originally Posted by bpcyclist
This is a very good idea. Kind of surprised no-one has done it before. Think I'm going to get myself one for Christmas. I have excellent reflective clothing (I personally like Proviz) but no side lighting. Looking forward to checking it out.
Cheers, glad you like the look of The Orb!

It all started because I thought it would be something I'd be able to buy and couldn't believe it didn't exist, so here we are about 4 years later...
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Sorry but if lights aren’t bright they can’t “be seen”...especially in an urban environment where they have to compete will lots and lots of other light sources.
Maybe it depends on what "seen" means. As I said, I have received compliments on my spoke-mounted light. That means people see it. It is dim. It is dim, and people see it. What does this mean?
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For me, I like the Flectr Zero for the fitment to the spokes. Really is lighter and brighter than the stock ones on my B'twin Tilt 500. Only problem is, I haven't installed them yet, since I am still figuring out what pattern to use for a 28 spoke wheel design.
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I like reflective sidewalls, but bits of tape obviously show up also.

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These seem to make a big difference on my bike.

BV 3M Scotchlite Bicycle Spoke Reflector Bicycle Spoke Clips Bike Reflectors - 36 Pack

( would not let post the amazon link :/ )
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For side lighting, I second Secret Squirrel recommendation, planet bikes :bottle blinky" . I have been using niteeze spoke lights, for a while, but tired of the battery consumption mine have. Bottle blinky is bright, also use bigger batteries.
I also agree with "mad scientist", if the corner is blocked so is visibility.
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My most effective device is a MonkeyLights M210, 5 LEDs per side, two brightness options, a whole slew of color/pattern options. It's definitely eye-catching, esp. to cross traffic as I approach intersections.

I'm sitting the fence on an actual recommendation, however. It's a few months out of warranty, and the wire between the battery pack and light failed, right at the connector. I have a temporary fix in place, but don't have an answer back yet from MonkeyLectric about how to buy a replacement connector.

Nite-Ize SpokeLits (or however it's spelled...) on my weekend/other bikes, and those 3M snap-on-the-spoke reflectors scattered among several bikes.

I'm also experimenting with a white pair of those Knog beetle knock-offs mounted on the stem, pointed forward-left and forward-right, just to get a seat-of-the-pants feel for whether it gets attention from cross traffic.
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