Why isn't the bike industry selling more lifestyle?
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Yep. They were what is now called a utility bike. During the depression and wars many people could not have cars so the bicycle was a primary means of daily transport. Sometimes you could only afford one bike so models like the Clubman was advertised as the "Mullet" of bicycles: Business up front, party in the back! Or commuter by day, tourer or racer on the weekend. With post war affluence people could afford both recreation and cars so the bicycle became relegated to sporting goods status.
America had a sort of similar experience. Reading about pre 1900 bicycling and particularly the League of American Wheelmen or LAW is pretty interesting. But it also has an over-archng fascination and love of car culture (partly due to large geography) that eclipsed the bicycle and everything about American social and physical structure revolves around that so creating a bicycle lifestyle is more far more daunting. It works for the athletic and adventure angle because North Americans really value their recreational activities and the counter culture angle because that market already rejects mainstream values.
America had a sort of similar experience. Reading about pre 1900 bicycling and particularly the League of American Wheelmen or LAW is pretty interesting. But it also has an over-archng fascination and love of car culture (partly due to large geography) that eclipsed the bicycle and everything about American social and physical structure revolves around that so creating a bicycle lifestyle is more far more daunting. It works for the athletic and adventure angle because North Americans really value their recreational activities and the counter culture angle because that market already rejects mainstream values.
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Many on this thread fail to realize that Raleigh bikes in the 50's in England were transportation, not sporting goods.
Sure, some used them for fun the same way some now use cars for fun but Raleigh designed bikes for ordinary people to get places and built them to last 100 years with reasonable care.
They weren't toys.
-Tim-
Sure, some used them for fun the same way some now use cars for fun but Raleigh designed bikes for ordinary people to get places and built them to last 100 years with reasonable care.
They weren't toys.
-Tim-
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Why isn't the bike industry selling more lifestyle?
Not to belabor this already tedious thread, but FYA, I just came across this article in Scientific American,”How to Get More Bicyclists on the Road,”(link) presumably appealing to those (non-descript) “lifestyle cyclists."The answer is so obvious!
Not to belabor this already tedious thread, but FYA, I just came across this article in Scientific American,”How to Get More Bicyclists on the Road,”(link) presumably appealing to those (non-descript) “lifestyle cyclists."The answer is so obvious!
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Since nobody has replied to this post:
Why isn't the bike industry selling more lifestyle?...
I just came across this article in Scientific American,”How to Get More Bicyclists on the Road,”(link) presumably appealing to those (non-descript) “lifestyle cyclists."The answer is so obvious!
I just came across this article in Scientific American,”How to Get More Bicyclists on the Road,”(link) presumably appealing to those (non-descript) “lifestyle cyclists."The answer is so obvious!
Originally Posted by Scientific American
To boost urban bicycling, figure out what women want
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I read the article .... thought it was silly. They mention that women are still primary child-caregivers .... good luck with a couple kids in a Burley or whatever. Small kids aren't terrible, so long as they keep their hands and feet inside. But when they need to go to different schools .. . different sports events ... and when they get older and start to weigh too much to pull up hills .... Shopping for a family of four would be pretty difficult too.
The idea that bike paths don't go to supermarkets and day cares .... yeah, but maybe someone should have told Scientific American about the science of time---as in the cities are already built, and no one is going through there knocking down buildings to build a mommy-centric bike highway system.
A lot of the cultures they mention as being bike-centric---not so much in urban areas, I'd bet. Maybe in a more rural area where shopping daily is part of life ... but anyone who is working all day probably also doesn't want to pick up ingredients for the family's evening meal on the y home ... every day.
Whatever ... I am no ballroom dancer. I don't have that experience leading women around. I have never tiered a bow tie in my life.
I will let you explain what women cyclists want.
The idea that bike paths don't go to supermarkets and day cares .... yeah, but maybe someone should have told Scientific American about the science of time---as in the cities are already built, and no one is going through there knocking down buildings to build a mommy-centric bike highway system.
A lot of the cultures they mention as being bike-centric---not so much in urban areas, I'd bet. Maybe in a more rural area where shopping daily is part of life ... but anyone who is working all day probably also doesn't want to pick up ingredients for the family's evening meal on the y home ... every day.
Whatever ... I am no ballroom dancer. I don't have that experience leading women around. I have never tiered a bow tie in my life.
I will let you explain what women cyclists want.
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Why isn't the bike industry selling more lifestyle?...:
I just came across this article in Scientific American,”How to Get More Bicyclists on the Road,”(link) presumably appealing to those (non-descript) “lifestyle cyclists."The answer is so obvious!
I just came across this article in Scientific American,”How to Get More Bicyclists on the Road,”(link) presumably appealing to those (non-descript) “lifestyle cyclists."The answer is so obvious!
Originally Posted by Scientific American
To boost urban bicycling, figure out what women want
I read the article .... thought it was silly. They mention that women are still primary child-caregivers .... good luck with a couple kids in a Burley or whatever. Small kids aren't terrible, so long as they keep their hands and feet inside. But when they need to go to different schools .. . different sports events ... and when they get older and start to weigh too much to pull up hills .... Shopping for a family of four would be pretty difficult too.
The idea that bike paths don't go to supermarkets and day cares .... yeah, but maybe someone should have told Scientific American about the science of time---as in the cities are already built, and no one is going through there knocking down buildings to build a mommy-centric bike highway system.
A lot of the cultures they mention as being bike-centric---not so much in urban areas, I'd bet. Maybe in a more rural area where shopping daily is part of life ... but anyone who is working all day probably also doesn't want to pick up ingredients for the family's evening meal on the y home ... every day.
Whatever ... I am no ballroom dancer. I don't have that experience leading women around. I have never tiered a bow tie in my life.
I will let you explain what women cyclists want.
The idea that bike paths don't go to supermarkets and day cares .... yeah, but maybe someone should have told Scientific American about the science of time---as in the cities are already built, and no one is going through there knocking down buildings to build a mommy-centric bike highway system.
A lot of the cultures they mention as being bike-centric---not so much in urban areas, I'd bet. Maybe in a more rural area where shopping daily is part of life ... but anyone who is working all day probably also doesn't want to pick up ingredients for the family's evening meal on the y home ... every day.
Whatever ... I am no ballroom dancer. I don't have that experience leading women around. I have never tiered a bow tie in my life.
I will let you explain what women cyclists want.
... on my daily commute, it seems that female joggers outnumber males by a large margin, at least 5 to 1, if not as high as 10 to 1.
.... This thread is about Lifestyle Advertising ... . not cyclign as a life style. The person who started it, jade408 is i think, in advertising or design. Her idea is that cycling should be promoted through what are called 'lifestyle" commercials, where people live life and have fun and in the background, is a Buick, or a drug name, or a soft drink, or a bike.
Her idea is that if you show people just having locked up their bikes and meeting their friend to go to the movies, or the bad art gallery, or show people at the microbrew pub or the cafe, with their bikes in the background .... well-dressed, clean people, not people laboring and sweating and wearing spandex .... not glorifying how much suffering a rider could endure, but showing how much fun these young, goo-looking, reasonably affluent, happy people were having ... and They rode bikes from time to time ... people would want to be like them, and would want to buy bikes.
Her idea is that if you show people just having locked up their bikes and meeting their friend to go to the movies, or the bad art gallery, or show people at the microbrew pub or the cafe, with their bikes in the background .... well-dressed, clean people, not people laboring and sweating and wearing spandex .... not glorifying how much suffering a rider could endure, but showing how much fun these young, goo-looking, reasonably affluent, happy people were having ... and They rode bikes from time to time ... people would want to be like them, and would want to buy bikes.
BTW, as a ballroom dancer, though indeed the partners are considered leaders (men) and followers (women), one of the best tips I have heard is the man ”presents” the woman to the admiring audience. As @Machka posted just today on another thread about style:
... My wife and I go out on Saturday nights, to include dinners at various nice restaurants. She wears a dress and I wear a blazer and a (self-tied) bowtie...we frequently get special recognition and unsolicited compliments from the staff or other diners.
Not our intention, but a nice side benefit.
Not our intention, but a nice side benefit.
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I too wear self tied Bow Ties and will use any occasion to slap one on. Picked up the habit a few years ago and now have a small collection of them
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I read the article .... thought it was silly. They mention that women are still primary child-caregivers .... good luck with a couple kids in a Burley or whatever. Small kids aren't terrible, so long as they keep their hands and feet inside. But when they need to go to different schools .. . different sports events ... and when they get older and start to weigh too much to pull up hills .... Shopping for a family of four would be pretty difficult too.
The idea that bike paths don't go to supermarkets and day cares .... yeah, but maybe someone should have told Scientific American about the science of time---as in the cities are already built, and no one is going through there knocking down buildings to build a mommy-centric bike highway system.
A lot of the cultures they mention as being bike-centric---not so much in urban areas, I'd bet. Maybe in a more rural area where shopping daily is part of life ... but anyone who is working all day probably also doesn't want to pick up ingredients for the family's evening meal on the y home ... every day.
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A couple of online bike sites promoting the lifestyle
https://momentummag.com
https://peopleforbikes.org
https://momentummag.com
https://peopleforbikes.org
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A good example I just saw of building infrastructure to create more of a cycling "lifestyle" is the Legacy Trail between Banff AB. and Canmore. Not only did they build a MUP, they included parking at the Canmore end and updated the Tourist center at the terminus to accommodate cyclists (racks, filter water dispenser for bottles, wifi etc... as well as adding a shuttle service to ferry bikes back and forth. It's very easy and enjoyable to use that route and lots of people do so. For some that means they can adopt a bike commuting lifestyle for at least 6 months of the year when before they would have to ride along the Trans Canada Hwy with no support services.
Here's the view along that MUP:
Here's the view along that MUP:
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