Psimet2001 

Uggggg,,,,,,

I know Phil. I saw this linked in other places today and didn't actually take the time to watch.

Yes, Phil - we get it. I agree on some points but I fee like your Millenial soft bits are showing on the rest of it.

Roadie ethos is roadie ethos for a reason. It's not a cake walk. Not everyone deserves a medal. A gran fondo isn't a race either.

We agree on a lot: Wave - don't be a d***. Strava is a joke - if you want to race then pin a number on- until then you're a make believe person with a suspect file on the internet - vaporware. Don't litter. I don't care if you have matching stuff. Everyone riding a bike is a good thing. Helmets are up to the rider (really why the f does anyone ever helmet shame someone?! They know. They made their choice. You're not their dad.).

hrmmm... so what do I actually disagree with..... It's OK to be a roadie. It's OK to tell someone they're slow. It's OK to pull someone from a race because they are "out of contention" - It's not an adventure to be achieved , it's a race and you lost.

Here's where everything in the roadie ethos went off the rails - when we started interpreting everything that wasn't 100% supportive as shaming. You want a bunch of high fives and cheers when you do something and suck at it then go do a 5K, triathlon, etc. If you can handle being told, "Yeah, you're not fast. You didn't win and you need a lot of training to be competitive" then welcome to road.

There's places for acceptance and need for acceptance at all costs. Then there are competitive areas. I choose to be in a competitive area. Road cycling/racing is that area.

mstateglfr 

By my estimation, a healthy-sized chunk of the active posters on this forum do not work as much as their bosses would like.

Iride01 

How would their bosses know? They are probably doing the same.

Abe_Froman

I can attest to this. My bikeforums usage increased when I went to management