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Salsa Marrakesh vs Surly Long Haul Trucker

Old 09-18-19, 02:47 PM
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Salsa Marrakesh vs Surly Long Haul Trucker

Slowly getting into the light touring world I LOVE my salsa casseroll, so does my wife. So much so that she is asking me for my bike! I want to upgrade in order to pass on my wheels... which will not be east but I want to know out of the two which the people prefer! I understand the differences but I mostly commute right now. With bike camping on weekends and touring in the near future. I also live in a mountainous area so the commute is not easy!
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Old 09-18-19, 10:12 PM
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Old 09-19-19, 02:28 AM
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Have a look at the Surly Midnight Special too.
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Even though they are owned by the same company, I'd go with the Surly. I've never liked Salsa for some reason.
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Old 09-19-19, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bakerjw View Post
Even though they are owned by the same company, I'd go with the Surly. I've never liked Salsa for some reason.
Actually I am looking heavily at the Salsa Journeyman right now! I like the shifters better, a little cheaper than either of the other two bikes and it has all I need! Any thoughts on the journeyman?
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Old 09-19-19, 08:42 AM
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After riding the three bikes you've mentioned, which one(s) make you think, I'd like to ride more on that one?
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Old 09-19-19, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Liquidspacehead View Post
Any thoughts on the journeyman?
Call me a retrogrouch, but I want a triple on a bike for fully loaded touring because I ride in mountainous/hilly terrain and I hate being caught between gears. But if you don't see yourself doing that, that 30x34 low gear might be enough. (I am currently running a 24x34 low.)
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Old 09-19-19, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Call me a retrogrouch, but I want a triple on a bike for fully loaded touring because I ride in mountainous/hilly terrain and I hate being caught between gears. But if you don't see yourself doing that, that 30x34 low gear might be enough. (I am currently running a 24x34 low.)
Not to derail the thread, but like you, I hate getting caught between gears as well which is one reason why I will likely never go to a 1x drivetrain.
I've ridden South out of Banff 4 consecutive years in a row now with loaded bikes on pavement, gravel and trails. This last time was on a mountain tandem with my wife. I typically run 2x10 drivetrains with 24/38 up front and 11-36 in the back which gives real decent spacing on the ratios. For our tandem, I dropped the front down to 22/36 which gives a high end of about 26MPH at 90 cadence. Our road tandem does have a triple though.
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Originally Posted by bakerjw View Post
Not to derail the thread, but like you, I hate getting caught between gears as well which is one reason why I will likely never go to a 1x drivetrain.
Not a derailment at all. It's an important consideration when choosing a bike you might tour on. So many "adventure bikes" are now doing 1x and 2x. I think people who haven't toured need to give careful thought to gearing. Does it match the terrain they expect to ride? Might they one day decide to tour in mountainous areas. What sort of load are they going to be carrying over time. Wheel strength is another important consideration.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Not a derailment at all. It's an important consideration when choosing a bike you might tour on. So many "adventure bikes" are now doing 1x and 2x. I think people who haven't toured need to give careful thought to gearing. Does it match the terrain they expect to ride? Might they one day decide to tour in mountainous areas. What sort of load are they going to be carrying over time. Wheel strength is another important consideration.
That is because you have bigger gears out back though isn't it?
Triples often saw duplication of gears, which is something that 2x and 1x with wider range cassettes works to overcome.
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Originally Posted by sumgy View Post
That is because you have bigger gears out back though isn't it?
Triples often saw duplication of gears, which is something that 2x and 1x with wider range cassettes works to overcome.
Preferring lower gears is like preferring to ride in cooler temps with layers as opposed to hot weather. You can always put on and take off layers. Decency laws prevent you from stripping down too much when it's really hot out.

And while there may be an overlap here and there, I would rather have, say, 24 gears to chose from in a 3x9 setup than 10 or 11 gears in a 1x setup (regardless of what the low end is), especially when climbing a 15 mile, relatively rough, unpaved pass with varying grades and a ruling grade of 9%.

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The Surly is a very tried and true design. The Marrakesh is more modern, but not necessarily "better". Personally, I like the more mountain-bikey / adventure touring type bikes here. I feel they're more versatile. There are lots of options, some of which have already been mentioned. I'll also throw in the very cool All City Gorilla Monsoon and new Marin bikes like the Lombard, Gestalt or Four Corners, all of which are great designs with varying degrees of trail-worthiness.
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Four Corners chain stay length is either 432 mm for x-small and small or 450 mm for the largest sizes. By contrast, the LHT is 460 mm across all sizes. If you are going to be using rear panniers, short stays could raise heel strike issues. If you are going to be using frame bags, etc., it's not a problem. As I note above, there are many things to consider when choosing a bike that will be well suited for how and where you plan to tour.
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