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Curious About Individual Road Averages? Where We 'Stand'...

Old 07-17-18, 01:29 AM
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I think the 50mm aero wheels made me a bit faster...

Usually do a long mixed ride around san francisco hills to the golden gate bridge and get 12mph or so due to some really steep gradients. I decided to try some flats.


I got 19mph average but only for about 7 miles..the longest flat I know that is enjoyable to ride. There were a few hills and some down hills, and stop lights/stop signs too but mostly flat. I felt like I was pushing myself, but there were stretches where I was admittedly coasting. If I was going 23-25mph on the flat, I would allow myself to coast until it would go back to 19 then pick it up again. Not sure how long I could keep it up. i think I could of gone 20 miles total at that pace possibly but too out of shape to try. Think next time I'll just do laps on that flat area and see if I can keep up the 19mph pace for longer. I'm a bit upright with a very tall steerer tube. I think when I drop the bars 20mm soon I'll see a slight improvement.


I do wonder if the aero 50mm carbon wheels are helping me. I read an article where test showed that aero wheels increased speed about 1.2mph compared to regular spoked wheels even when at under 20mph. That's a significant gain if true. I do feel faster on these 50mm carbon wheels versus the ksyrium sls that I got rid of.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
I don't understand the fascination with RPM. RPM fluctuates a huge amount according to a number of factors. As an example, today I was between 70 and 136 rpms in a 25 mile, 20.8 mph avg. ride. Trying to lock yourself in to a specific rpm sounds awful and not very efficient.
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I agree. I don't get it either. In fact one of the benefits of the old school FG winter training was that most of the time you are in the wrong gear. Got a headwind? Mash it. Got a tailwind? Spin it. And that is to get comfortable with a wider range of RPMs and essentially broaden your power band.
Yeah ... even on Zwift my rpm ranged between about 75 and 135, depending on what I was doing.



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That's because it's spinning is something you can take for granted-- I could never do 135 RPM (not even 100). For some of us, spinning is anything in the mid-70s and over. I only recently understood, from the banana-eating Aussie bike-review guy, durianrider (he's very pro-spinning), who everyone loves to hate, that mashing is anything below 80 and that you're not spinning until you get above 90, which means after years of trying to become a better spinner (like championship-doper LA taught us), I've only managed to not be a masher. Anyone count the RPMs of all those knees of all the peloton riders in the ongoing 2018 TdF? Not a masher in the batch.
Anything below 80 is mashing ... unless maybe you're heading up a steep incline.

And you're not really spinning until you're well up and over 90.

If you want to improve your spinning, start going to spinning classes a couple times a week. It took me from an 80 rpm person on flat ground to something close to 90 rpm.
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What about eating real meals on the bike? Fork and knife and some steak dinners stashed in a handlebar bag?

All set ...
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Or see FB video, if you can ...
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Oh ... but sorry ...




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Old 07-17-18, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
What about eating real meals on the bike? Fork and knife and some steak dinners stashed in a handlebar bag?
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Old 07-17-18, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
Strava counts the stops, most bike computers are set not to.
For segments, yes, but not for the ride average.
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Old 07-17-18, 08:13 AM
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That preview image tho...
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Old 07-17-18, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
No, I'm afraid it's totally hopeless, guys. The only way to compare "average speeds" as a measure of performance or achievement is to compare identical rides or sets of rides. Aside from folks enrolled in the same training program, maybe, who could ever do that? Not a bunch of random folks on the interwebs, that's for sure!
Indeed.

If one wanted to ask a possible relevant question for comparisons sake, it would be something like:

"What is your typical sustained speed on the flats, with minimal wind and riding solo?"
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Old 07-17-18, 10:25 AM
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Not into fasted riding...
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DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!! Though I imagine smoke might be an issue with mobile grilling, what with a handlebar mount. Could mount it on a rear rack... at the risk of attracting scores of wild dogs.
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Originally Posted by drewguy View Post
Indeed.

If one wanted to ask a possible relevant question for comparisons sake, it would be something like:

"What is your typical sustained speed on the flats, with minimal wind and riding solo?"
Or you could do like the NY Cycle club does and use repeats of a well-known circuit as the guide. They use four laps of Central Park (which happens to be 24.4 miles, 1,836'), as the guide to what I'd call the cruising speed with which a rider would be comfortable (rides are advertised according to a combination of paceline skill and speed).
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
Or you could do like the NY Cycle club does and use repeats of a well-known circuit as the guide. They use four laps of Central Park (which happens to be 24.4 miles, 1,836'), as the guide to what I'd call the cruising speed with which a rider would be comfortable (rides are advertised according to a combination of paceline skill and speed).


A neighboring club does similar- they have a 'speed trap' 4.4 miles, to gauge which groups to ride with.Pace Rating
AA
A
AB
B
BC
C
CD
D
Average Speed (mph)
8 - 10
9 - 12
11 - 14
12 - 15
14 - 17
15 - 18
17 - 20
≥ 18
Speed Trap (minutes)

>26

23 - 26

19 - 22

< 19


This was a chart, the format didn't come through
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Old 07-18-18, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
I miss Matt's commentary on GCN.

I use Strava to see where I stand speed wise. I find thread like this pointless because the terrain could be so differently and then throw in the everyone is faster on the internet phenomenon. Strava segments are comparing the same conditions other than weather changes with the wind, but if you compare for just the day, that will keep it somewhat even.

I on average have two easy recovery day's for every hammer fest and the recovery days average about 4-5 mph slower than a hammer day. Although I might average slower on a hammer day than a recovery day if I am riding the foothill and mountain climbs for the hammer day and riding the Colorado flat areas for the recovery ride. So what number would I put in? If I say the "average number", it is going to be significantly slower than a ride where I am putting even a little effort in on. Compare that to another rider who takes a rest day instead of a recovery ride day. Not riding is not lowering his or her overall average speed like riding and taking it super easy for recovery. Seeing how I commute to work five days during the week when I don't have time to ride long rides, I rarely take weekends off when I can take advantage of getting longer rides on. Therefore, I pretty much end up riding 7 days a week. So the only times I get for recovery are during commute rides where I am going super easy, which lowers the average speed.
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Or you could do like the NY Cycle club does and use repeats of a well-known circuit as the guide. They use four laps of Central Park (which happens to be 24.4 miles, 1,836'), as the guide to what I'd call the cruising speed with which a rider would be comfortable (rides are advertised according to a combination of paceline skill and speed).
Back when my group was posting club rides to attract possible new members for vetting, we had a 500' sorting hill. We'd all start together and hit the sorting hill after about 3 miles. Our 3 pace leaders would go up it, holding their usual pace, and see who was with them when they paused at a parking lot at the top. That worked well.
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Average rides are 30 -60 miles. 100 miles a week.

Average speed on strava (via garmin) is usually 19-21 mph.
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I started riding again in May after 8 years away. I started at 6' and 257lbs. lucky to break 10mph avg. I am now down to 227 and riding 20 to 25 miles atleast 4 days a week and just at 12.5 avg mph. Still hoping to see that 16 to 18 mph avg again.
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
Back when my group was posting club rides to attract possible new members for vetting, we had a 500' sorting hill. We'd all start together and hit the sorting hill after about 3 miles. Our 3 pace leaders would go up it, holding their usual pace, and see who was with them when they paused at a parking lot at the top. That worked well.
I love that idea - it's so friendly!
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TdF Stage 12 tomorrow features L'Alpe d'Huez (avg. 8% gradient maxing out at 13%) where you can bet, despite these competitors being the premier riders on Earth, that avg mph will be considerably lower at times than some of the averages posted here... Stage 11 today had some amazingly steep climbs--e.g., a single rider on a breakaway was getting pretty close to the finish where one of the commentators estimated he'd be in about 25 minutes, which seemed to work out to about 6 mph. Interestingly, there was a point in the Stage 10 coverage at about 98 kilometers from the finish when Phil Liggett casually observed that the peloton was going at a 6.8 to 7.4 mph pace just as the camera swept by I think a homemade road sign saying it was a 13% incline. On the Stage today, the guys were hammering going downhill which is pretty easy to do and obviously an effective way to increase the avg. mph of a ride.
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6-1/4 mph is about as slow as I can go peddling in the mid-70s and using he lowest gear I've got (34x32)-- if I had lower gears I'd probably have used them by now and then my avg. mph would be even lower. If anyone could use a 1-to-1 gear it's probably me.
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Stage 11 won by Geraint Thomas, 6'08" to go 67.4 miles which is ~11 average mph.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
Stage 11 won by Geraint Thomas, 6'08" to go 67.4 miles which is ~11 average mph.
Thomas won in about 3 and a half hours, for an average speed of 19mph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_T...ge_11#Stage_11

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6-1/4 mph is about as slow as I can go peddling in the mid-70s and using he lowest gear I've got (34x32)-- if I had lower gears I'd probably have used them by now and then my avg. mph would be even lower.
If you're bottoming out your gearing, there's a good chance that lower gears would help you go faster.
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I don’t have mph or average speed on any of the screens of my Bolt. I started using a power meter and TrainingPeaks and adopted their system for measuring intensity and stress. I feel like it is a better measurement of your fitness/ability to do work. I have the intensity factor and training stress score on one of the pages to help give me an idea of how hard the ride has been.
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Stage 11 won by Geraint Thomas, 6'08" to go 67.4 miles which is ~11 average mph.
Where are you getting your stats?

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race.../2018/stage-11


108.5 km in 3:29:36 = 31 km/h (approx.)

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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
Thomas won in about 3 and a half hours, for an average speed of 19mph.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_T...ge_11#Stage_11



If you're bottoming out your gearing, there's a good chance that lower gears would help you go faster.

That's pretty insane...19mph average with a ride that has 11 miles on a category one climb. Pantani climbed Alp D'huez at over 14mph. Tour riders maintain well over 300 watts which is hard for most of us to do, and they are so light. These guys have the power to weight ratio to do unbelievable stuff. I really don't want to have the body of the cyclist however do to that level of riding even if I had the genetics to maintain over 300 watts for long periods of time. I'd rather be normal and well built like some the sprinters on the tour versus what these gc climbers look like. I'd be content to average 24mph solo/time trial on a standard road bike for 20 miles. That would be in great shape for me, but I need a power meter which is going to cost as much as my whole bike apparently...but it's really the only way to improve riding ability.
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...but I need a power meter which is going to cost as much as my whole bike apparently...but it's really the only way to improve riding ability.
No, not it's not.
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No, not it's not.
But you can't dial it up to 400 watts of you don't have one to dial: so there!
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