Boudicca

A friend is thinking of a buying good-condition second-hand Dahon for a gentle, self-supported trip to Europe this spring. We're not planning major hills, and we'll stay in hotels or AirBnB. But the bike will need to scrunch into a suitcase (or a well padded bag) for the plane ride over, and then fit panniers for luggage for the trip.

Do you think this will work? I have a Bike Friday, and know that the travel/pannier set-up is good. But I don't know much about the Dahon.

Clues welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Bonzo Banana

I've read a few reviews where their more performance orientated folders with low profile tyres can give a more harsh ride which may not be ideal for touring. I would suspect their steel framed folding bikes would be better for touring. For sheer mechanical strength and reliability I would favour a freehub based drivetrain. Maybe something like the Boardwalk D8? I'm not an expert on Dahon though but on face value that looks one of the best options in their range.

Abu Mahendra

Panniers on a bike with short chainstays risk heel strike on the panniers. Another option is is use bikepacking, frame-mountable bags. To give you an idea of practical, field-tested ways of avoiding panniers, here is an image of my current setup that I am using on tour (Taiwan, three weeks) now...

10L Topeak Seatpost bag, and 18L dry-bag on Tern Luggage Truss and Kanga Rack. I still have volume and weight capacity to spare. The bags come off and on the bike in seconds. I don't see why this would not work for placid, Credit-card touring in Europe.

BromptonINrio

we here have a dahon curve d3 buyed specialy to be casemodded to touring.
Its sigly bigger than brompton but we do managed to fit many touring oriented stuff from brompton on it:
We Adapt the brompton front carrier block to fit on dahon and entable it to use brompton bags on front;
we put a full rack on the back to use panniers without reel strike(regular rack do generate reel strike to we need to put an adapter to push the rack 2 cm back,;
next think to do is to casemod one Shimano nexus IGN to fix the 122mm old.


botton line: Dahon Curve 16¨ wheels is and very good base to set up a compact and afordable touring bike.

avole

Brompton bags are the way to go. No reason why the rear one couldn’t be adapted to fit on most racks.

Boudicca

Will have to look at the bike, and at packing options. If it means buying new luggage and/or a mount for (not cheap) Brompton luggage, the bike may not be the best option for her.

Tourist in MSN

I can't comment on a Dahon, my folder is an Airnimal.

If you are trying to mount a rack for panniers, check out the RackTime rack called FoldIt.

This version, the part of the rack that attaches to the frame dropouts is welded to the bars that extend upright.
https://www.racktime.com/en/racktime...ct/foldit-fix/

This version, instead of being welded it is bolted and can be adjusted for height. With panniers, might need to be adjusted to highest so that the pannier does not interfere with the gearing. This rack is quite easy to break down for transport. This is the version I bought for my folder.
https://www.racktime.com/en/racktime...it-adjustable/

I also needed to buy the longest mounting stay as a seperate option.
https://www.racktime.com/en/racktime...ng-stay-1/#ass

I honestly have no clue how it would work because I am not familiar with Dahons, but this is the rack that works for my folder. If it won't work with a Dahon, perhaps someone will comment.

BromptonINrio

Another great argument to use curve d3 as a bike for touring is the tyres, as its uses 305 mm schwalbe big apple for a very plushy and confortable ride.

The whole idea is to mimic the brompton touring setup. Some may say it will be costly, but it will a be a fraction os a full brompton touring experience, as you can find the used curve for about u$300, a brompton front carrier block for about u$30,00 a carrier frame for u$55,00 a rear pannier rack for u$40,00 a xrf8 sturmey archer for u$100,00

The costs would be:
Bike 300
carrier Block 30
carrier frame 50
rear pannier rack 40
Sturmey archer xrf8 100
total: us$520,00

So the goal as shows in pathlesspedaled series of blogs:




here you can full mimim hes setup with dahon, using a smaller rack, or do as we dis outing a full pannier rack and use two front(20L) pannier on it

All of these possibilitis can be made with dahon:

full panniers:

BCATC

I have a question for those who have done touring with Dahons/Bromptons

Repairs: From my understanding, 26" tires are a safe bet around the world and is easier to find. If you had a flat or needed a new tire, was it challenging finding spare parts?

While not as compact as Dahons and bikes of similar sizes, if that was an issue then I may consider a Montague folder instead.

Abu Mahendra

if one has a flat tire, one fixes the flat tire. no need to go to a store or find replacements. you always bring a tire repair kit, spare inner tubes, a pump, and you fix it. if you can't do that yourself, you have no business touring.

people have toured around the world in one set of tires. shredding a tire outright, provided the tire is of high quality and designed for the rigors of touring, is rare. but if you still want to be safe, just carry a spare foldable tire. I am on my second tour with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 42-406, and they are still like new. I have had no flat tires since i installed them in October 2016. Schwalbe Marathon Supreme or Marathon Mondials is what you want. Regrettably they are no longer made in 406 size. you can still find discontinued Supremes on the web, but they ain't cheap. if you decide to go with ISO559 (26") tires, the Surly Extraterrestrials are also worth a look.

reppans

Ugh... some tourers should steal ideas from the ultra-light backpacking crowd - getting rid of *most* of that stuff would be so liberating, especially to folding bike tourers that have so many multi-modal options.

Assuming you could store a suitcase at starting/ending point, you could self-supported (camping & cooking) tour from a Dahon Speed P8 with one 62" check-in and one carry-on (I already tour out of a single Brompton 30L front T-bag).

Abu Mahendra

i agree. piling on so much *****e on a folder undoes its maneuverability and agility. great, you can fold the bike, but the *****e you are carrying is now more voluminous that the foldie itself. Plus, packing is just so wrong on two of those images. we have had that discussion before. a trekking pack standing up? come on. i go back to my original question: do you need panniers for the trip at hand?

CanadaWriter

I circled Taiwan and Malaysia on a Dahon D8. No problems other than replacing the brakes. I wasn't camping though, just CC touring. It was very useful for buses and just generally a great bike. My buddy who recommended it has the same bike. He was front and back panniers on his and has done well over 10,000km touring with it.

Boudicca

I've travelled with a Bike Friday. I usually bring one spare tire, and a couple of spare tubes, as well as a patch kit. If I shred two tires, I guess I'm out of luck.

BCATC

This is good info, thanks. I haven’t seen anyone mention derailleurs getting caught or bent during their travels so I’m guessing it doesn’t happen very often? No one seems to sell their used Dahons with an IGH in my area.

CanadaWriter

I never had a problem. Chain fell off twice randomly. Popped it back on. I also boxed up the bike on three flights and found it fine on the other end. I did remove the derailleur before boxing.

Bonzo Banana

Would you use a internal hub for touring? On face value I wouldn't feel comfortable with that knowing a mechanical fault could mean the end of touring. Maybe a rohloff or more simple 3 speed hub but not sure. A derailleur setup seems safer or even single speed if going somewhere relatively flat.

There's a company near me that specialises in touring bikes and they seem very keen on the Rohloff hub. You get a choice basically of derailleur equipped or Rohloff bikes and no other options.

Thorn touring bikes and tandems

Saying that those are serious touring bikes that take serious weight and abuse.

I mean if you get a problem with a derailleur system you can often rig it as a single speed or get it back working to a degree but there is the possibility with internal geared hubs they will make the bike unusable. If the hub gearing breaks up inside, a part cracks etc you can't ride it.

Abu Mahendra

i have in the past. i just did now. With a SRAM Dual Drive IGH.

reppans

Depends on how and where you like to tour of course, but one of the advantages of folder touring is that we have the multi-modal option. If you break down and do not have parts or tools to repair on the spot, then just start hitchhiking or call a taxi or Uber. Actually, I'm really interested in incorporating hitchhiking into my folding bicycle touring to cut out the boring and dangerous ride sections.

I'm personally into ultra-compact touring and can fit my entire touring rig (Brompton + T-bag rigged for camping) on my lap while riding in the front passenger seat of any car. Tools/inner tube/pump for minor repairs, flat tire, and adjustments are permanent resident inside the bike's frame and seat tube.

Tourist in MSN

I have not toured on my folder yet. I have toured on my two Thorns (one with Rohloff and one with derailleurs) and I have toured on my Lynskey Backroad (a Titanium derailleur touring bike). I had another derailleur touring bike that I no longer have, toured on that too.

On my folder I have an 8 speed cassette on a Sram Dual Drive IGH, and I could easily see touring on it. If I do decide to tour on my folder, it would likely be lighter weight touring where I would want a folder for taking on trains, buses, etc. But it would have to be lighter weight touring because if I am getting on buses and trains, I do not want to hauling around the same kind of heavy and voluminous stuff that I would be carrying for a tour of several weeks in the wilderness.

Lighter weight touring where folding is not an advantage, i would use my Lynskey Backroad. Medium weight touring I use my Thorn derailleur bike (Sherpa model). And heavy duty touring on my Thorn with the Rohloff (Nomad with S&S).

I would trust the Rohloff more than the Dual Drive IGH, but for light weight traveling I see no reason to worry about the Dual Drive.

Rick Imby

I have traveled a lot by airplane with my Dahon and my Swift. I went to an Upholstery shop and had a bag made for it. It cost me $100 out of very heavy cloth. I lined it with a cut up mattress topper pad (like an egg crate). It is oversize but I have never been charged for it. I don't pack much other stuff with the bike so it weighs about 30 pounds. Getting my Dahon MU to fit in a standard large legal size suitcase is a lot of work---I had to take off the fork. In my bag I just remove the pedals and the rear derailleur ( I don't want it bent). If you are not carrying tent and cooking gear it is real easy to do on virtually any folder. Have fun...

gataddhin

My December 2017 tour with my 2 buddies




My March 2018 solo tour

checoles

I've had 2 Dahons, one Dahon for about 5 years as a commuter before I decided to upgrade and get something new (Tern Link a7) and I tell you what... I miss the Dahon. Great build quality, got dropped down the office stairs once, didn't leave a dent. Nothing Dahon-made on the bike broke (Hinges etc) but eventually it ended up completely worn out and costwise, not much more to buy a new bike so I went in for something new on the market. Regret it. I'm starting to get on with the Tern, but I certainly wouldn't trust it in a suitcase on a plane. I'd constantly worry it was going to break somewhere. The Dahon, I'd throw in there myself with a case, no problem
But yeah, a cheap Dahon would be suffice for what you're doing ,with a few luggage bags. I had a full triple pannier with a sleeping bag/tent/travelling stool on my Dahon for a small tour once, didn't effect the bike whatsoever. Brilliant little thing.

tcs

Dahon Boardwalks tour Malaysia.

dahon boardwalks take malaysia.jpg

Abu Mahendra

Fair number of seli (sepeda lipat, folding bike in Indonesian) tourers in Indonesia too...