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Old 12-14-19, 09:13 PM
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New purchase.Campay Equipment.Wheel set 700c I’m thinking maybe they may have been 27”.BB #R6006K035.There maybe a letter or # before R I can’t read it.Thany You

Any help cleaning rust





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Old 12-14-19, 09:50 PM
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Oh, boy. Raleigh International from the 70s with what looks like original stem, levers, and hoods. Those white hoods were tough. Would have had Campagnolo NR mechanics, crank, and (probably) high flange hubs with tubular tires. The hubs and rims are not original, probably. 700c would have been correct (matching the tubulars) wouldn't have come with 27" wheels. Weinmann 600 brakes and a Brooks Champion saddle. Looks like the original crank and pedals are still there. Other than the wheels it looks all original to my unexpert eye.

Serial number probably adhears to what Kurt Kaminer calls "1973 to 1982 'Standardized'". The first mark indicates factory and for an International should be W indicating Worksop. Next (R, in your case) indicates month. November for 'R'. Next is a digit which represents the year in the 70s and then two zeroes and then the four digit serial number (or maybe one zero and five digits for the production number). I can't identify the year digit in your picture, or the 'R' or (probably) the 'W'.

Check out Kurt's site for all the good info. It's a treasure. Has links to 70s Raleigh catalogs that will give you the original specs on your bike.

Internationals were very nice bikes -- one step below the Pro, back in the day.

Be careful with that saddle. The old ones that are well used can fail.
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Old 12-14-19, 10:20 PM
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Bike is ready for a full service
oedals, bottom bracket, headset
wheels have been exchanged.
original would have been Campagnolo high Flange.

plenty of threads on here regardingnn rust removal
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Old 12-14-19, 10:44 PM
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What’s the pat. # on the rear derailleur? It’s right next to where the cable enters.
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Old 12-14-19, 11:04 PM
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Thank You All for information.I was holding back what i paid for it.So,Here it is $300.Pat#on rear derailleur is 74.I-hate to say ,i had a pair of high flanged tubulars campy but i sold them cheap lesson learned.Again to all that responded Thank You.I have time to clean her up before Eroica
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The 6 next to the R in the serial # indicates a 1976 model. The R being November means that this is near the end of the production run for the International (It was dropped entirely for the 1977 model year when Raleigh redesigned the top models in their catalog). You’ve got a great bike there!
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Rear spacing has been opened to accept present wheel. Original would have been 120mm. Appears a 5V gear block has been fitted to a hub capable of accepting a 6V or greater block. You may wish to examine the cycle's chainline. Note the spacer behind the fixed cup. Shell may be one of the 66.5mm Raleigh ones.

Note large open space between small cog and dropout.

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Ray's Cycle & Mower operated in downtown Vacaville, California from 1969 to 1984 when the "Mower" portion of the business was relocated and it became just Ray's Cycle.

Shop still in operation today at same location.

https://www.rayscyclebicycles.com/pictures

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Rear spacing has been opened to accept present wheel. Original would have been 120mm.

Note large open space between small cog and dropout.

Ray's Cycle & Mower operated in downtown Vacaville, California from 1969 to 1984 when the "Mower" portion of the business was relocated and it became just Ray's Cycle.

Prior to 1969 it was called Frank's Cycle & Mower.

Shop still in operation today at same location.
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Originally Posted by CTony
Thank You All for information.I was holding back what i paid for it.So,Here it is $300.Pat#on rear derailleur is 74.I-hate to say ,i had a pair of high flanged tubulars campy but i sold them cheap lesson learned.Again to all that responded Thank You.I have time to clean her up before Eroica
good white road bike. I have one, earlier, in bight lime green. A bike I admired in 1971 but when I was seriously looking were backordered, and it was the beginning of Summer... asking a 12 year old who had been saving for over two years to wait an undetermined amount of time more? No.

if I had $100 more I could have bought full Campagnolo... that would have to wait another 2 years.

cranks May have a date code too, possible a digit in a diamond on the back side, 3 = ‘73 etc.
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[QUOTE=CTony;21246441]
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Rear spacing has been opened to accept present wheel. Original would have been 120mm.

Note large open space between small cog and dropout.

Ray's Cycle & Mower operated in downtown Vacaville, California from 1969 to 1984 when the "Mower" portion of the business was relocated and it became just Ray's Cycle.

Prior to 1969 it was called Frank's Cycle & Mower.

Shop still in operation today at same location.
‘I laughed at that “cycle and mower”.
We had a Schwann bike and hobby nearby. actually a pretty good combination.
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Great buy! I have a soft spot for these since a '72 Raleigh International was the first bike I raced on and I also used it for international (and national) long distance touring. Although the workmanship can be a little sloppy on these, they have a certain "je ne said quoi". I love chromed half stays and Nervex lugs and those early Raleigh colors.
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I have a similar bike, i just need to grow another8 or ten inches to ride it
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Originally Posted by CTony
Thank You All for information.I was holding back what i paid for it.So,Here it is $300.Pat#on rear derailleur is 74.I-hate to say ,i had a pair of high flanged tubulars campy but i sold them cheap lesson learned.Again to all that responded Thank You.I have time to clean her up before Eroica
Yes, too bad that the original HF Record hubs aren't still there. As far as the tubulars go, I got that out of my system back in about 86. I remember countless times ripping the seam out, patching the tube, and sewing them back together. I don't miss them. Bought a house on the money I saved not buying Clements to replace those that I couldn't find the hole in.
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Nice What grabbed me was the color it just screams ride.thanks for Sharing
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It has a 5sp freewheel I haven’t yet checked spacing i did notice when i was purchasing bike.but i just wanted pay and leave.I live in Sac maybe I’ll ride in when she all pretty.Thank You BF.folks.
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If it fits you well, this is likely going to become your favorite bicycle for spirited rides.
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Juvela does Campagnolo make different lengths of rear hubs? I mocked up bike using 27” elite 19 Campagnolo hub and it fit great.can you give me a little more information (help).I pulled rear wheel freewheel 5sp simplex 14t-24t.rear opening 125?.Thank you for your time.
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The Simplex 5V 14-24T gear block is OEM.
I got the same block on a 1973 RRA model purchased new.

The original rear spacing would have been 120mm.

When wheels were replaced the OEM block was fitted to the new rear hub.

The thee common rear spacings for road bicycles are 120, 126 and 130.

At the time your bicycle was made 120 was the standard.

If you are unfamiliar with alignment and chainline there is a good presentation at the Sheldon Brown site.

Since the rear spacing has been altered from OEM you would want to check alignment even if you decide to retain the changed spacing.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

The forum has other members in the Sacramento area. Perhaps one of them could lend a hand if need be...


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Man I love an international! Just finished my 72. Immediately became in the top 2 of my fleet. Great riding bike. It is one that says come on, let's go ride!
Great price also! Enjoy the rebuild.
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Nice find.
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Would like to see before and after pictures
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Raleigh rear wheel space

Hello FB people.

So, A few of you kind people mentioned my rear wheel spacing so I purchased a caliper checked opening 125 mm but that was with wheel on.When tried to reinstall wheel it didn’t fit I didn’t force it.So a friend sold me high flanged campy wheels. So I snap some photos. Keep in mind they are rough.

New wheel

Rear wheel that people brought to my attention of spacing issues

Trying out new tool measurement with HF wheel.Anyways I would like input. Thank You.
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Back in the year, 120mm was pretty much the standard, though depending on the spacers used, it could be +/- 2mm. By the late 70's 126mm was gaining favor. Another 10 years on or so, and things were transitioning to 130mm.

This said, the spacing can usually be reset from 120mm to 126mm or even 130mm by "cold setting", but is best to be done by someone who knows what they're doing. I have a 1971 Super Course that has been re-spaced to 130mm, and used to have a 1959 Viking that had the same.
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