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Bast spoke pattern ever?

Old 03-08-18, 04:31 AM
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Bast spoke pattern ever?

We all know the bast spoke pattern for road rim brake rear are the 2:1 pattern due to the offset fo the hub. So we see a lot of radial on the non-drive side and 2 or 3 crosses on the drive side. But why don't rim brake models have a cross at the non-drive side if they have crossed at the non-drive side it will increase the stiffness of the wheel. But why isn't the cycling industry not using this for rim brake models? Am I I a genius? or more of is there a really good reason for it? If you know why please tell me.
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I had a zipp303 with radial DS and 2 cross NDS. weird and less stiff on paper but it worked fine


I do see 2:1 getting more popular
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Originally Posted by tkdirp View Post
We all know the bast spoke pattern for road rim brake rear are the 2:1 pattern due to the offset fo the hub. So we see a lot of radial on the non-drive side and 2 or 3 crosses on the drive side. But why don't rim brake models have a cross at the non-drive side if they have crossed at the non-drive side it will increase the stiffness of the wheel. But why isn't the cycling industry not using this for rim brake models? Am I I a genius? or more of is there a really good reason for it? If you know why please tell me.
You keep misspelling "best" so I'm voting "no" on the genius part.

2:1 lacing has its benefits, but it also sacrifices lateral stiffness compared to conventional lacing, so it's not perfect. Radial spoking is often used on the NDS because it's slightly lighter/stiffer/more aero. There are people who use 1x on the NDS when doing triplet lacing, though, and it's a good idea if your hub isn't rated for radial lacing.
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There's no best. There are considerations and various solutions that address them.

The 2:1 pattern you seem to favor does help address the effects of dish, but calls for z heavier stiffer rim to handle the longer spans between bracing points. Switching it as you propose has been done, but means that driving torque has to be carried across the hub shell and therefore a heavier stiffer hub.

An alternate, simpler way is to reduce the gauge of the spokes rather than the number. This addresses the dish question without increasing stresses on the rim and hub.

Of course mixed gauges aren't visibly obvious, and 32 or 28h wheels lack the cool factor that marketers need to get folks to buy more stuff, even when what they have is still OK.
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