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Old 03-13-20, 06:06 PM
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Yes. Big huge pandemic

1600 known cases in the USA

that divided by 320,000,000 = a whopping .000005 percent

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Old 03-13-20, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy View Post
Yes. Big huge pandemic

1600 known cases in the USA

that divided by 320,000,000 = a whopping .000005 percent

we don't know how many cases we have since we have almost no tests.
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Old 03-13-20, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy View Post
Yes. Big huge pandemic

1600 known cases in the USA

that divided by 320,000,000 = a whopping .000005 percent

I'm always reassured by people who can't do simple division.
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Old 03-13-20, 06:34 PM
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.0005

about the same big nothin burger

tell me why I’m wrong
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Old 03-13-20, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy View Post
.0005

about the same big nothin burger

tell me why Iím wrong
I don't know if you're wrong, but you might be premature in your estimate. CDC says as many as 56,000 people die each year from seasonal influenza in a country where 25-50% of people get a flu shot each year to prevent it. Nobody got a flu shot to prevent this bug.

Hysteria is foolish, just as foolish as bravado. So rock on, flyboy, and don't hesitate to lick the door handles at Walmart, because it's a nothin' burger.
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Old 03-13-20, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BCDrums View Post
I don't know if you're wrong, but you might be premature in your estimate. CDC says as many as 56,000 people die each year from seasonal influenza in a country where 25-50% of people get a flu shot each year to prevent it. Nobody got a flu shot to prevent this bug.

Hysteria is foolish, just as foolish as bravado. So rock on, flyboy, and don't hesitate to lick the door handles at Walmart, because it's a nothin' burger.
far more die from regular flu (do you want to shut everything down every winter?). We are up to 20000 deaths this winter during flu season ( I donít see any panic over this)

total panic for nothing
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Old 03-13-20, 07:08 PM
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Should group rides be canceled?
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Old 03-13-20, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy View Post
.0005

about the same big nothin burger

tell me why Iím wrong
The number of cases in the U.S. is increasing at a rate of about 40% per day. If it continues to spread at that rate for any length of time, it becomes a very serious problem.
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The number of cases in the U.S. is increasing at a rate of about 40% per day. If it continues to spread at that rate for any length of time, it becomes a very serious problem.
I just saw numbers on the news

exact same numbers from last night (1600 infected)

another agency said 2100 today

both nothing burger numbers in a country with 320 million people (that being said it is horrible for the 40 who have died from corona and the 20,000 who have died from flu this winter)
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Old 03-13-20, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy View Post
I just saw numbers on the news

exact same numbers from last night (1600 infected)

another agency said 2100 today

both nothing burger numbers in a country with 320 million people (that being said it is horrible for the 40 who have died from corona and the 20,000 who have died from flu this winter)
1625 at midnight last night, 2282 right now. That's a 40% increase in less than 24 hours. If it continues to spread at that rate, there will be 10x more cases every week. That means about 23,000 cases next week, 230,000 cases in two weeks, and 2,300,000 cases in three weeks.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
1625 at midnight last night, 2282 right now. That's a 40% increase in less than 24 hours. If it continues to spread at that rate, there will be 10x more cases every week. That means about 23,000 cases next week, 230,000 cases in two weeks, and 2,300,000 cases in three weeks.
get real

and those are not deaths either
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Old 03-13-20, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy View Post
get real

and those are not deaths either
OP here. I specified that this thread was not for debating whether or not the pandemic is real. If you must do that, start your own thread.

This thread is about what we're experiencing riding while this thing is going on. You are seriously off-topic. Please knock it off.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
OP here. I specified that this thread was not for debating whether or not the pandemic is real. If you must do that, start your own thread.

This thread is about what we're experiencing riding while this thing is going on. You are seriously off-topic. Please knock it off.
ok

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Old 03-14-20, 08:26 AM
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As I mentioned previously. "close contact" is 6 feet - any closer risks contracting the coronavirus. It's airborne, in tiny droplets of water from someone's lungs that you breath in.

Riding on a MUP you're always passing within 6 feet of people. You get up close behind, waiting to go around, breathing in the same air they just finished exhaling in. That is "close contact" according to the CDC. Certainly as the pandemic progresses we are going to alter our riding habits to ameliorate the risk.

Dispersal of airborne fluids is an exponential function of distance from the emission source (I'm thinking Fickian diffusion). Altered by a lot of factors obviously, but exponential means a large decrease in concentration for small changes in how far away you are. It's also obvious (or should be) that your risk rises with how much of it you breathe in.

So going hard and breathing heavy, spending more time in close contact, how close you get, passing upwind or downwind, are all variables affecting risk of infection during a bike ride. There are some politicians and followers who have somehow decided that this is all political, and we see a lot of political noise as a result, but seriously it's just basic science. How you want to change your rides to mitigate the risk is your personal decision.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
op here. I specified that this thread was not for debating whether or not the pandemic is real. If you must do that, start your own thread.

This thread is about what we're experiencing riding while this thing is going on. You are seriously off-topic. Please knock it off.
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Found this article about riding during the Coronavirus

Cycling during Coronavirus
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Found this article about riding during the Coronavirus

Cycling during Coronavirus
Riding a pace line when the rider in front is coughing could infect the entire group.
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It's not going to affect my riding much. Tonight I'm going on a group ride. As long as I'm not kissing all the other cyclists I think I'll be fine.
Yeah but what if someone in front of you blows a snot-rocket and it hits you in the mouth?
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Yeah but what if someone in front of you blows a snot-rocket and it hits you in the mouth?
Or nasty farts....
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As I mentioned previously. "close contact" is 6 feet - any closer risks contracting the coronavirus. It's airborne, in tiny droplets of water from someone's lungs that you breath in.

Riding on a MUP you're always passing within 6 feet of people. You get up close behind, waiting to go around, breathing in the same air they just finished exhaling in. That is "close contact" according to the CDC. Certainly as the pandemic progresses we are going to alter our riding habits to ameliorate the risk.

Dispersal of airborne fluids is an exponential function of distance from the emission source (I'm thinking Fickian diffusion). Altered by a lot of factors obviously, but exponential means a large decrease in concentration for small changes in how far away you are. It's also obvious (or should be) that your risk rises with how much of it you breathe in.

So going hard and breathing heavy, spending more time in close contact, how close you get, passing upwind or downwind, are all variables affecting risk of infection during a bike ride. There are some politicians and followers who have somehow decided that this is all political, and we see a lot of political noise as a result, but seriously it's just basic science. How you want to change your rides to mitigate the risk is your personal decision.

I'm going to go ahead and not worry about this. I think the danger in less than six feet is that you're inhaling some substantial portion of what the other person is exhaling. I think the air is getting too dispersed while riding for that to occur in the very few seconds you're passing.
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I'm going to go ahead and not worry about this. I think the danger in less than six feet is that you're inhaling some substantial portion of what the other person is exhaling. I think the air is getting too dispersed while riding for that to occur in the very few seconds you're passing.
FWIW, CDC in fact does NOT define a close contact as passing someone at less than six feet in the outdoors for a few seconds. I posted the actual facts earlier.

(The were some people out on the Minuteman, but only some. Some even held hands while walking!)

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I'm going to go ahead and not worry about this. I think the danger in less than six feet is that you're inhaling some substantial portion of what the other person is exhaling. I think the air is getting too dispersed while riding for that to occur in the very few seconds you're passing.
I have to think there's some sort of time-distance aspect to this 6ft rule. eg. 2 people sitting in a room 6ft apart, is a lot different than one person riding at 15-25mph 6ft behind someone in front of them, passing thru the same air they were in and breathing, only fractions of a second before.
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Yeah but what if someone in front of you blows a snot-rocket and it hits you in the mouth?
I don't draft other cyclists and I don't ride close enough for their snot rockets to land on me.
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Riding a pace line when the rider in front is coughing could infect the entire group.
Avoiding group rides and riding solo is the safest way to prevent getting sprayed with other peoples viruses.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I'm going to go ahead and not worry about this. I think the danger in less than six feet is that you're inhaling some substantial portion of what the other person is exhaling. I think the air is getting too dispersed while riding for that to occur in the very few seconds you're passing.
I think you're imagining best case, just breezing by at a decent clip. I'm thinking of worst case, where you slow down to walking speed behind them waiting for a clear chance to pass, 5 or 6 seconds maybe more. It's not really dispersing the virus due to riding. Wind if there is any would do it.

How long you're there obviously impacts it, as I said originally. I'll probably do more quick passes and fewer slow-and-wait passes.
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