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Old 04-07-20, 07:59 AM
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Hello Dears,

I know you will be completely upset with me but after long thinking I decided not to get the Miyata you all liked so much. The reason is, after looking at hundreds of bikes I fell in love really badly in a specific model of Peugueot (@polymorphself, @bertinjim ). But I still follow your advice and not compromise on the size.

There are two models that are very similar:
PR 65 (from 1978)
PK 65 (from 1979)

They are both made with Reynolds 531 tubes. Another wonderful thing is: they both exist in 57cm frame! And there are relatively many of them in France which is not too far.

I attach images from the catalogue of both:




Peugeot PR 65




Peugeot PK 65



Now I found a concrete one in France which is 57cm (yuhuuu!) and it looks to me like the PK 65. I asked the seller if he could write me what it says on that front sticker. I so much hope he'll be okay with shipping it to Switzerland. If the borders weren't closed I would literally just take a train right now and go pick it up! And I wouldn't paint this one because I love the colour. Curious to hear what you think!

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Excellent! Looks like a PR to me, BTW.
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What I like about the Peugeot for you better than the Miyata is that it was designed in the era when slimmer width tires were expected. This is especially. true with the look of the fork and front tire together. Now I prefer the ride of a bit wider tire so I would have gotten the Miyata but this bicycle looks like it is in excellent shape. You can ride it as is and find out what you like and don't like about its components and maybe change what you don't like to something with indexed shifting for example. It even has room for wider tires . I like that this bicycle has lightweight front and rear racks that you will find useful but not heavy when not in use. I would encourage you to get this one. The chrome on the fork is nice too
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Being in switzerland it won't be as much of an issue for as it is for Americans to purchase french components, but how French is that Peugeot? As in, the components standards: bottom bracket/cranks, headset, pedals, stems, is it a maillard helicomatic freewheel (you don't want a helicomatic freewheel), etc. I know nothing about french bikes other than that they can be difficult depending on the era. I would imagine by the late 70s you'll be mostly fine, but it's best to know.
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Originally Posted by babie_lato View Post
Hello Dears,

I know you will be completely upset with me but after long thinking I decided not to get the Miyata you all liked so much. The reason is, after looking at hundreds of bikes I fell in love really badly in a specific model of Peugueot (@polymorphself, @bertinjim ). But I still follow your advice and not compromise on the size.

There are two models that are very similar:
PR 65 (from 1978)
PK 65 (from 1979)

They are both made with Reynolds 531 tubes. Another wonderful thing is: they both exist in 57cm frame! And there are relatively many of them in France which is not too far.

I attach images from the catalogue of both:




Peugeot PR 65




Peugeot PK 65



Now I found a concrete one in France which is 57cm (yuhuuu!) and it looks to me like the PK 65. I asked the seller if he could write me what it says on that front sticker. I so much hope he'll be okay with shipping it to Switzerland. If the borders weren't closed I would literally just take a train right now and go pick it up! And I wouldn't paint this one because I love the colour. Curious to hear what you think!


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babie_lato -

The gold Peugeot mixte in your picture looks like a PR 65 based on its 3 arm Stronglight TS crankset. This is especially good as they have chainrings as low as 38 teeth which allows you to easily lower the gearing if you should need to do so. The rings are available on EBay. The example looks outstanding and good luck with an eventual purchase.
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Beautiful choice!
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Thank you all! Yes, I'm writing with the seller (in my terrible French) and so hoping she will keep this beauty for me until the border opens again so I can go and get it! It's just three hours by train from Zürich so I think it's much better to collect it than to ship it (because of potential damage, disassembling and reassembling...). I will keep you updated!
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My daughter has one of those and they're an incredibly nice ride, she wouldn't miss it for the world. Hope it works out for you.

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Originally Posted by bertinjim View Post
babie_lato -

The gold Peugeot mixte in your picture looks like a PR 65 based on its 3 arm Stronglight TS crankset. This is especially good as they have chainrings as low as 38 teeth which allows you to easily lower the gearing if you should need to do so. The rings are available on EBay. The example looks outstanding and good luck with an eventual purchase.
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Excellent! Looks like a PR to me, BTW.
Yes you are totally right, I found another catalogue image of the PR65 an it's pretty much identical. You can't imagine how I'm in love with this bike! Or maybe you can .

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My daughter has one of those and they're an incredibly nice ride, she wouldn't miss it for the world. Hope it works out for you.

That's such a nice one too!

I was also thinking of taking off the fenders at least in Summer so that it's even lighter (and looks nice). Is she not missing them? Like when it has rained a bit and the street is wet?
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I don't have a recent pic but the bike has fenders and a Tubus-rack installed now. The fenders may come off again soon, main advantage is not less weight but easier manipulation of the bike (taking it in elevators etc).
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(...) You can't imagine how I'm in love with this bike! Or maybe you can .
Yes, we can. It is pretty much our core business.

CMAW That is a very nice Peugeot! Looks like you're doing a good job, wrt raising offspring.
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babie_lato

No disappointment here, we love Peugeot's all day long, the mixte's with good tubing are a bit rare in the US so we see a lot of entry level ones but they are cool none the less.

This will be a fantastic score, love it.
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I'm getting in a little late on this thread but I'm glad you found a bike you want. My first 10-speed was a Peugeot, so I've got a soft spot in my heart for them. But just to throw another coal on the fire, here is the mixte I found for my wife. Motobecanes have been mentioned here before, but the Grand Jubile mixte has some of the finer points mentioned previously in addition to having the really sexy Nervex lugs, a rarity on mixties. They also were spec'd with the light weight French Huret Jubilee derailleur emsemble. These bikes are rather rare in this country and I don't know if they they were available for the European market at all. But to my thinking, they are one of the best production mixties made.

Enjoy whatever you end up with and welcome to Bike Forums!

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babie_lato Perfect choice! I really hope it works out for you. Please let us know.
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Hi Babie,

I'm late responding to this thread but I like your thinking of a Mixte. I have built many of them for myself and for houseguest to ride and have so much fun riding them, they're always the first bikes to grab out of the bike room.

I agree with what others have said and you already have done your homework on models but I have had very similar Peugeot's mixte frames that had tremendous weight differences in the frame alone between them even though they looked identical; I had two framesets unbuilt at the same time and could easily feel the difference. It was all in the tubes they used, they both looked the same, models, lugs and graphics but one was significantly heavier than the other. They are generally good quality mixte's and fun to ride but just make sure it's one of the light ones. Also, make sure it has a good wheelset, many mixte's came with heavy cheap rims, a good light wheelset and tires make a big and noticeable difference and more fun to ride. While there's quite a few step-through bikes available in Zurich, I definitely recommend the two top tubes running down to the rear dropouts style mixte frame (like the Peugeot), they're much stiffer and longer lasting frames that can handle a heavy rider and take abuse from previous owners. I also recommend when test riding the bike to see how well it rides with no hands on handle bars, I found many of these used frames were not aligned very well and could not ride straight with hands off the handle bars. Buying a good complete Mixte is recommended as they're not easy bikes to find parts for and can get quite expensive getting the correct parts, especially the ones with uncommon threads for bottom bracket and headset. I am 183cm tall and have had no problem riding different sized mixte frames, I would just build them with a tall stem and different bars to get a comfortable riding position and still ride great.

I also recommend looking on Facebook Marketplace for bikes in Zurich, you'll be surprised how many bikes for sale and cheap nearby you.

I wish I could find photo's of my old Peugeots but could only find these two pics of my Univega's. Here in Venice Beach it's very flat, no hills and easy riding so I opted for a very simple rebuild to keep them light with only one gear, no fenders but I could definitely see needing gears & fenders to commute through Zurich. I could also see hopping on a mixte in the summer riding down to Flussbad Au-Höngg to jump in for a swim or riding to one of the lakeside bars to meet friends for a drink on a hot summer evening, the ride home is always fun!



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Not a Mixte, but Velo Orange just announced a new step though model in this interview:




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[QUOTE=mr_macgee;21421014]Hi Babie,

I'm late responding to this thread but I like your thinking of a Mixte. I have built many of them for myself and for houseguest to ride and have so much fun riding them, they're always the first bikes to grab out of the bike room.

I agree with what others have said and you already have done your homework on models but I have had very similar Peugeot's mixte frames that had tremendous weight differences in the frame alone between them even though they looked identical; I had two framesets unbuilt at the same time and could easily feel the difference. It was all in the tubes they used, they both looked the same, models, lugs and graphics but one was significantly heavier than the other. They are generally good quality mixte's and fun to ride but just make sure it's one of the light ones. Also, make sure it has a good wheelset, many mixte's came with heavy cheap rims, a good light wheelset and tires make a big and noticeable difference and more fun to ride. While there's quite a few step-through bikes available in Zurich, I definitely recommend the two top tubes running down to the rear dropouts style mixte frame (like the Peugeot), they're much stiffer and longer lasting frames that can handle a heavy rider and take abuse from previous owners. I also recommend when test riding the bike to see how well it rides with no hands on handle bars, I found many of these used frames were not aligned very well and could not ride straight with hands off the handle bars. Buying a good complete Mixte is recommended as they're not easy bikes to find parts for and can get quite expensive getting the correct parts, especially the ones with uncommon threads for bottom bracket and headset. I am 183cm tall and have had no problem riding different sized mixte frames, I would just build them with a tall stem and different bars to get a comfortable riding position and still ride great.

I also recommend looking on Facebook Marketplace for bikes in Zurich, you'll be surprised how many bikes for sale and cheap nearby you.

I wish I could find photo's of my old Peugeots but could only find these two pics of my Univega's. Here in Venice Beach it's very flat, no hills and easy riding so I opted for a very simple rebuild to keep them light with only one gear, no fenders but I could definitely see needing gears & fenders to commute through Zurich. I could also see hopping on a mixte in the summer riding down to Flussbad Au-Höngg to jump in for a swim or riding to one of the lakeside bars to meet friends for a drink on a hot summer evening, the ride home is always fun!

/QUOTE]

Thank you @mr_macgee for your nice and informative response. I love your both Univegas, simple and stylish!

I actually already bought my dream mixte: a golden Peugeot PR65 with Reynolds 531 tubing. But it's in France so I'm waiting for the border to open to go and collect it. When I have it I will definitely post a foto of me riding down to Flussbad Au-Hongg!
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Now I'm using all the knowledge I got from this wonderful forum to help a good friend of mine to find a mixte for herself. She is same tall as me (179cm) so she also needs a 57cm frame. She wants her bike to be light, mostly for riding in the city and occasionally through a forest.

I suggested her a Koga Miyata Traveller (or World Traveller) and found this one from a local seller.





I found this model in a catalogue from 1996. It's a Traveller with FM-1 triple butted CrMo tubing which sounds great to me. It says it's 15.9kg. It's not as light as good road mixtes, but I guess it's mostly because of all the equipment that is hanging on it. The frame itself should be very light...




What do you think?
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Hi, good work on yours and this one. I think this is great if your friend agrees. If you two are the same size, you can trade back and forth and decide if one or the other needs the other kind too or instead, genius!

You should have a very good time discovering the range of capability with these, I think it is a win, win.
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1987 Raleigh Ventura

Raleigh made a ~12kg anglais frame called the Ventura in the late 80's. It was offered in a 57cm size. Specs here http://www.kurtkaminer.com/1987raleighcat_uk_14_lg.jpg
This one is almost all original 57cm frame (exceptions are saddle, tires, tubes, cables).

(I went back and read the whole thread. Congratulations on the Peugeot! I loved the ride of my PX-50. Not a mixte, but still a nice ride.)

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