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Old 04-07-20, 04:28 PM
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12 Monkeys "prequel" rolling out?

It was a random thought that appeared in my head from nowhere: The virus that precipitated the civilization ending story of the Bruce Willis/ Brad Pitt movie of that name could have been an engineered virus that mutated into the global pandemic. I don't know why I thought about that movie. Smarter people: your thoughts?
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Probably seems that way. But look back over the long history of folklore and myths derived from natural disasters, some of which were mistaken for edicts from gods. Entire Biblical "lessons" are conflated with natural disasters -- assuming the anecdotes were even remotely accurate to begin with and not merely regurgitated from myths borrowed from earlier cultures.

While it's tempting to believe *this* pandemic, or *that* natural disaster, is The Big One, that's an example of what I call the arrogance of experience. We humans live short lives, insignificant in the grand scheme of things. But to each of us our lives feel very significant. So we mistake our heightened senses and reactions for statistical significance or something important in terms of history or impact. That's rarely the case.

The problem is that occasionally this arrogance of experience leads people to inappropriate conclusions about signs and wonders, and consequent ill-advised actions, including cults indulging in destructive or self destructive behaviors: the mass forced suicides/murders of Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple cult in Jonestown, Guyana; Marshall Applewhite and the Heaven's Gate cult group suicide; the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas; the Maccabees hopeless opposition to Rome; the Ghost Dancers, among the last gasps of Native American opposition against the encroachments of white and non-Native settlers.

The entire Book of Revelation was generally considered apocryphal, while not omitted from most bibles, only occasionally considered seriously by a few cults over the centuries, but finally becoming mainstream mostly as a result of Hal Lindsey's recklessly speculative works emphasizing mystery over sound gospel. Lindsey came across as sane, sensible and reasonable, which gave readers and audiences the mistaken impression that the material was actually significant to their lives. It wasn't. But it inflamed far more radical false prophets, con artists and tent show magicians who eventually managed to turn "end times prophecy" into a cash cow by bilking more and more mainstream Christians.

Stephen King has made a career out of fictionalizing "what if" scenarios involving science gone awry: The Stand, The Mist, and in others infusing ordinary technology with ghosts in the machines. Nobody conflates these with edicts from gods. But who knows, centuries from now perhaps they will.

L Ron Hubbard figured out a way to turn his inept writing about science fiction and the occult into a mind control system disguised as a quasi-religion/life coaching cult. Ditto his grifter love child "Werner Erhard" with "est".

Carlos Castaneda was a classic example of failure to heed Nietzsche's warning about the abyss: “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

Castaneda had a good scam going with his books about the mythical Yaqui brujo Don Juan Matus and the Sonoran desert culture. If he had made clear from the start these were fictionalized, based on conversations and composites of many characters, he still would have had some fascinating novels. But he insisted on presenting these as anthropological research.

Even after his writings were debunked as anthropology, he still would have enjoyed some fame and respect from fans, including me. I didn't care whether they were true. I just thought they were fascinating stories and they *felt true*, perhaps in the same sense as the epic writings of many great novelists from Melville to Cormac McCarthy, and Ron Hansen's "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford," which invents dialogues and scenarios based loosely on actual letters and biographies to flesh out an American icon.

But Castaneda went on to create Tensegrity, a slight twist on Crowley's occult "magick", right down to the usual sexual obsessions. Seems like those cults always become obsessed with sex in some way, whether repressing it or turning it into some sort of glorified ritual. It ended with some of his female followers basically sacrificing themselves in the desert in some still unresolved death pact.

All because these con artists, charlatans and shamans conflate perfectly ordinary natural disasters, pandemics, wars and rumors of wars, and pendulum swings in cultures and governments, for something "significant" because they all suffered from the arrogance of experience, rather than looking at the lessons of history for perspective.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
look back over the long history of folklore and myths derived from natural disasters, some of which were mistaken for edicts from gods.
I find it very wrong that those religious leaders who have endangered their followers by continuing the holding of services and by claiming the virus can be defeated by faith in a God rather than solid healthcare policy are putting even more people at risk. In times like these the struggling to stay true to a faith can just be loving people to death.
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All I wanted was a Pepsi just one Pepsi but she wouldn’t give it to me! Just a Pepsi. Doesn’t matter I will probably drink the Jim Jones Koolaid anyways.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Probably seems that way. But look back over the long history of folklore and myths derived from natural disasters, some of which were mistaken for edicts from gods. Entire Biblical "lessons" are conflated with natural disasters -- assuming the anecdotes were even remotely accurate to begin with and not merely regurgitated from myths borrowed from earlier cultures.

While it's tempting to believe *this* pandemic, or *that* natural disaster, is The Big One, that's an example of what I call the arrogance of experience. We humans live short lives, insignificant in the grand scheme of things. But to each of us our lives feel very significant. So we mistake our heightened senses and reactions for statistical significance or something important in terms of history or impact. That's rarely the case.

The problem is that occasionally this arrogance of experience leads people to inappropriate conclusions about signs and wonders, and consequent ill-advised actions, including cults indulging in destructive or self destructive behaviors: the mass forced suicides/murders of Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple cult in Jonestown, Guyana; Marshall Applewhite and the Heaven's Gate cult group suicide; the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas; the Maccabees hopeless opposition to Rome; the Ghost Dancers, among the last gasps of Native American opposition against the encroachments of white and non-Native settlers.

The entire Book of Revelation was generally considered apocryphal, while not omitted from most bibles, only occasionally considered seriously by a few cults over the centuries, but finally becoming mainstream mostly as a result of Hal Lindsey's recklessly speculative works emphasizing mystery over sound gospel. Lindsey came across as sane, sensible and reasonable, which gave readers and audiences the mistaken impression that the material was actually significant to their lives. It wasn't. But it inflamed far more radical false prophets, con artists and tent show magicians who eventually managed to turn "end times prophecy" into a cash cow by bilking more and more mainstream Christians.

Stephen King has made a career out of fictionalizing "what if" scenarios involving science gone awry: The Stand, The Mist, and in others infusing ordinary technology with ghosts in the machines. Nobody conflates these with edicts from gods. But who knows, centuries from now perhaps they will.

L Ron Hubbard figured out a way to turn his inept writing about science fiction and the occult into a mind control system disguised as a quasi-religion/life coaching cult. Ditto his grifter love child "Werner Erhard" with "est".

Carlos Castaneda was a classic example of failure to heed Nietzsche's warning about the abyss: “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

Castaneda had a good scam going with his books about the mythical Yaqui brujo Don Juan Matus and the Sonoran desert culture. If he had made clear from the start these were fictionalized, based on conversations and composites of many characters, he still would have had some fascinating novels. But he insisted on presenting these as anthropological research.

Even after his writings were debunked as anthropology, he still would have enjoyed some fame and respect from fans, including me. I didn't care whether they were true. I just thought they were fascinating stories and they *felt true*, perhaps in the same sense as the epic writings of many great novelists from Melville to Cormac McCarthy, and Ron Hansen's "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford," which invents dialogues and scenarios based loosely on actual letters and biographies to flesh out an American icon.

But Castaneda went on to create Tensegrity, a slight twist on Crowley's occult "magick", right down to the usual sexual obsessions. Seems like those cults always become obsessed with sex in some way, whether repressing it or turning it into some sort of glorified ritual. It ended with some of his female followers basically sacrificing themselves in the desert in some still unresolved death pact.

All because these con artists, charlatans and shamans conflate perfectly ordinary natural disasters, pandemics, wars and rumors of wars, and pendulum swings in cultures and governments, for something "significant" because they all suffered from the arrogance of experience, rather than looking at the lessons of history for perspective.
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A touch of Night of the Living Dead, too. That we're being chased and killed by this innumerable thing that's somewhere between alive and dead.
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What is the Living Dead stuff? Seriously I’m missing out. Is it a TV show? Books? podcast? is it?
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/101...he_living_dead

1968 zombie movie. One of the first and most influential. Well done.
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/101...he_living_dead

1968 zombie movie. One of the first and most influential. Well done.

OK . I see what y’all talking about now.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zI9ub9AgF0

All I wanted was a Pepsi just one Pepsi but she wouldn’t give it to me! Just a Pepsi. Doesn’t matter I will probably drink the Jim Jones Koolaid anyways.
There's another brand of Kool Aid. Check out the Tom Wolfe narrative about some electric koolaid. If you're into that kind of thing.
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There's another brand of Kool Aid. Check out the Tom Wolfe narrative about some electric koolaid. If you're into that kind of thing.
Yup! I read it in high school, around 1970. Warped my little mind, as Cartman said in South Park.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zI9ub9AgF0

All I wanted was a Pepsi just one Pepsi but she wouldn’t give it to me! Just a Pepsi. Doesn’t matter I will probably drink the Jim Jones Koolaid anyways.
An oldie but a goodie. It has definitely lost some impact over the years. It actually seems pretty tame by modern standards, it was once hard core bleeding edge stuff, if you can believe that. But this was the early 80's, a COMPLETELY different era from today. (For additional evidence please refer to, "Ridgemont High, Fast Times At")


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I find it very wrong that those religious leaders who have endangered their followers by continuing the holding of services and by claiming the virus can be defeated by faith in a God rather than solid healthcare policy are putting even more people at risk. In times like these the struggling to stay true to a faith can just be loving people to death.
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Yeah, I can't say if the church goers were following social distance guidelines, cause I don't attend. I did go to Lowe's a few weeks ago, to get paint for our back deck. The store was slammed. Of course, our mission was "essential", while those religious zealots were just risking life for no particular reason.
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Yeah, I can't say if the church goers were following social distance guidelines, cause I don't attend. I did go to Lowe's a few weeks ago, to get paint for our back deck. The store was slammed. Of course, our mission was "essential", while those religious zealots were just risking life for no particular reason.
Yeah, I went to Home Depot on Friday, they were following the recommended protocols VERY seriously. And four out of five customers, like me, were masked and mostly wearing gloves. Were most of us on “essential” missions? Probably not. But from Home Depot’s point of view, if you sell paint, you gotta sell paint. If all you have to sell is religion, you gotta sell religion.

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Hardware and home stores probably are more essential than church services. To most faithful, god is everywhere. Paint, crown molding and vacuum cleaners aren't.

Good opportunity for folks stuck at home to actually do those long overdue spring cleaning chores. I know it motivated me to redo my apartment, which had become sorta dreary after more than a decade in the same place. Management installed nice new wood grain laminate flooring (really does look and feel authentic). And they set a huge dumpster in the parking lot for a month for those of us inclined to discard old furniture and de-clutter our packrat and hoarder inclinations. Sure worked for me.

A friend who works in a Lowe's or Home Depot has posted a bit about some of her daily work adventures, but for the most part it's nothing too dramatic. I think the worst thing she's experienced was as a shopper at a grocery store, rather than at work in the hardware store. She offered to shop for some older neighbors, so her grocery buggy was stuffed to overflowing. She intended this to be her only trip this month for provisions. She's wearing a mask, latex or rubber gloves, minding her own business, waiting in line at the manned checkout register, not the DIY self-checkout.

But some Call-the-manager-Karen or Busybody-Becky with two or three items -- not wearing a mask, etc. -- literally gets in her face and berates her for having the audacity to plan out her shopping instead of making several trips a week to buy only a few items at a time. Accuses my friend of "hoarding" when she's purchasing only one of each essential item for three households, most of it stuff that there's no shortage of (she already had toilet paper, gloves and masks).

Fortunately those are the types who are eaten first or second during the zombie apocalypse. Unfortunately the first is often the black guy who's an engineer and ex-special forces who might have saved everyone else in town, but that would make for a 15 minute movie rather than a 90 minute gorefest.
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I've been thinking about 12 Monkeys a lot.

Other threads have batted around links pertaining to pro/con on the engineered theory, and it seems like that is probably a hoax.
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I've been thinking about 12 Monkeys a lot.

Other threads have batted around links pertaining to pro/con on the engineered theory, and it seems like that is probably a hoax.
That it was an "engineered" pandemic or simply a natural occurrence, or something in between, will probably never be known. In an age when we cannot depend on the altruistic nature of journalism from any source whatsoever, I am relegated to riding my bike until I'm exhausted and then opening the wine and enjoying the hot tub.

It could be worse. I might have to go fishing for my supper.
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I think the jury's still out on whether it was accidentally released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, seems plausible they would be studying weird viruses found in nature.

But mostly I think that because I haven't researched, so don't nobody go taking that as gospel.

I invite well-written articles discussing whether it was certainly from the wet meat market, vs accidental release
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