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Old 04-08-20, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattz View Post
these Italians knew a few things...
She looks more aero than any pro.
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Suddenly I was in the mood to post an exception proves the rule post....after all this seems topical to me.......here I come!



And the cool art above needs a musical soundtrack......


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Originally Posted by malcala622 View Post
I need this Ambrosio rear wheel!!!

Please draw a number and go to the end of the queue
OR
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Amb...AAAOSwh-JdoLmB
Unfortunately not in the holy celeste though....
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Here is one more exception post....that kind of proves my point.......those that are smart will figure it out.......It looks like a certain glow worm is no more......so I had to celebrate with a nice meal......



Or you could say I had spam for dinner.
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And lets celebrate and get back to what this thread is all about....the art of the bike.....and what more appropriate than to show off some beautiful Japanese craftsmanship:


Love the saddle....it looks like a sacred relic. Love the water bottle...so sleek. The frame is so meanly lean. The chain ring is cool and raring to go. 3Rensho were masters.


From another angle.


Love the Japanese characters on the frame....adds so much.....


Another fine frame...have not seen this one before......

And here is a killer video of that blue 3Rensho that really shows off its incredible beauty and elegance with traditional Japanese drumming......enjoy....


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these Italians knew a few things...

Mmmmm, M71 pedals!
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What's with the super slack HT angle? Reminds me of a frame I had long ago, it was a 52 but with a HT from a 50 and very slight negative sloping, I thought the builder messed up the angles and used such an slack HT angle to avoid excesive toe overlap. Obviously not the case of the 3Rensho...

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This is the frame:

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Hi, I am the owner of this bike. You have to bear in mind people build bikes how they want, not necessarily to be period correct, so Don’t be fooled by the decals, the previous owner put those on, along with the groupset etc. The bike was built in 1985, as confirmed by Geoff Scott. He built 5 of the frames, for some of New Zealand’s best cyclists at the time, Who were part of the Southern districts cycling club. Members of this team won the national teams time trial championship 9 years in a row.


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Don’t worry, I never go too far.

I don’t know much about that particular Clamont, but I do know Geoff built many frames for Olympic competition.
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What's with the super slack HT angle? Reminds me of a frame I had long ago, it was a 52 but with a HT from a 50 and very slight negative sloping, I thought the builder messed up the angles and used such an slack HT angle to avoid excesive toe overlap. Obviously not the case of the 3Rensho...
Not sure...but I guess it looks more obtuse I suppose...would the difference matter that much in the ride? I would think they did it on purpose considering the frame knowledge they had Anyone know???
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Originally Posted by Forzabikes View Post
Hi, I am the owner of this bike. You have to bear in mind people build bikes how they want, not necessarily to be period correct, so Don’t be fooled by the decals, the previous owner put those on, along with the groupset etc. The bike was built in 1985, as confirmed by Geoff Scott. He built 5 of the frames, for some of New Zealand’s best cyclists at the time, Who were part of the Southern districts cycling club. Members of this team won the national teams time trial championship 9 years in a row.
Yeah that is a frustrating part of trying to restore a vintage bicycle to its original state as it came from the hands of the bicycle maker. And sometimes, it would be sent to different racers in different configurations according to their specifications. I would guess this often happened, especially with lo pros which are for the most part specialty racing bicycles that were obtained by professional racers. This is all my best guess but it sounds likely. So then that raises the question "What is the original state of the bike?" With my Paletti, I have seen a picture of the blue version of the one I have. It is the only picture I have seen of my bike. And the wheel set up is different. But that does not mean that mine is not the original setup. But as you say, bicycles get modified all the time after they have been delivered. If I wanted to restore my Paletti to as authentic a state as I could I would have to go by the picture I saw in the Japanese catalog. That was the blue version. It can lead to insanity and cost you an arm and a leg. Collecting high quality lo pros and authentically restoring them (I am excluding new paint and decals which I do not believe in) is not for those who squeeze pennies.

It sounds like the Southern Districts Cycling Club was quite a team if they won the national championship nine years in a row. Welcome to all thing vintage time trial bikes and if you own any other lo pros and have pictures please post here. Also if you have pictures of that team riding post here along with any pictures of lo pros you admire in general.

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Old 04-10-20, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
If I were boss and walked into the room where this thing was being built, likely would show the designer the exit door.
I agree with you 100 percent...this thing is HIDEOUS! In fact it is probably the ugliest time trial style bike I have ever seen....and I have seen some ugly ones.
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Old 04-10-20, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lattz View Post
these Italians knew a few things...
Lattz, this is a great choice of picture. I have loved this photo for a long time. It is very cool. And by the way, I absolutely believe that the shape of classic Italian sports cars and lo pros was inspired by the beauty of the female form............period.
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Looking at the Moser La Horas again, (which could never be praised enough) here's a bunch of the little brother as well, just to make sure we don't forget about them. Like with Cinelli there's life beyond Laser, Moser also had some other nice (even if they are a bit closer to Earth) bikes as well..




They came in other colors a well, but the blue-white faded is the more common (and the best in my opinion, but that's a matter of taste).
I agree that it would be hard to praise the Moser La Horas enough. Thanks for showing some of the others. It is always a good idea to look at a spectrum. I hate how they mounted that saddle on the top bike though and that awful seat post. That is a small gripe though. I have to gripe a little though. I like the blue and white fade but I prefer the Mosers that have a curved top tube also. I always prefer curved top tubes though so I am totally biased. And their are many fantastic lo pros that have a straight and angled top tube and that I like. It is just my preference though. I love the bullhorns on the bottom one. The pink one is okay but I like curvier models. It is all personal taste though and these are important historical photos for sure. Your posts are always really good......why are you trying to make the rest of us look bad?
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The Wheel on the XB3 is a Cortes, I did some loose search efforts on them after I saw it first on Pedalroom, but gave up after a few minutes. Its odd the it is always shown on Ex-Soviet bikes (can be that the same gal/guy rides it on different bikes) maybe its Russian.

UPDATE (googled again): according to a Reedit thread, "Internationally acclaimed USSR bike maker Petrov Vidori hired a Swiss wheel designer by the name of Marti Gadient, they were both commissioned to create a bike and wheelset that would be primarily superior aerodynamically to other countries track team's bikes. Marti was approached by the US and they tried to discourage him from working with Russians at the time because it would hurt America's image, Marti was enraged and insisted that they never attempt to contact him again, as he saw what he was doing as purely track bike influenced, not political. However, Marti was openly pro communist, so the US viewed it as helping the Communist party, and not so much driven because of the sportsmanship aspect. Having to initially travel to Russia to transport the materials needed to engineer and fabricate the wheels, the train shipping the materials was sabotaged by pro-west forces, Marti had suspected the US in attempting to sabotage the train in order to stall and prevent the project from being finished, but Marti and Petrov remained hopeful, and eventually (covertly) transported all of the materials to Moscow, where they developed the wheel Ivan Vedeneyev Oculi, or "IVO". It was named after the late TT cyclist who broke the world record in a time Trial race.. The design was influenced by the look of swiss cheese. Petrov found this extremely unusual, but did not refuse the design. During the race that the IVO was debuted, around the 6th lap, all of the pro cyclists on the track using this wheel ended up dying because they all broke and killed the riders. Marti died."

So it's not only visually but literally a Killer (if we can believe the story), but I'd still love to have it, e.g. on either (better both, don't ask why as I can't ride them here in Germany) of the below setups - or in any other form:


Thank you so much Lattz for looking this up. It sounds like a spy novel....not a bike making story. I know that politics have always played a big part in sport though. I could believe most of it almost except the very last part. It makes a great story though.....do I see the first Lo Pro movie here??? The Swiss cheese reference is fitting and I am wishing I had some pumpernickel right now to go with mine.
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Originally Posted by Shrevvy View Post
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Cool Cinelli Ad
Where did these ads run? Were they like the old tool calendars with pinup art and given to mechanics that were largely male at the time? Or, were these run in trade magazines?[/QUOTE]

I am guessing that they were in a high gloss Italian magazine. They are like glamour shots. Remember that the Italians are not as afraid of human sexuality or the human body as puritanical Americans are (and before I get angry protests....I am American and love America so put down your sword). There is also a nude Cinelli poster for walls.
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Where did these ads run? Were they like the old tool calendars with pinup art and given to mechanics that were largely male at the time? Or, were these run in trade magazines?
My guess that the one posted by me is a recently issued poster. They are kind of like the pinup calendars until one sees the old Rossin ads...[/QUOTE]

I adore the Rossin ads...thanks for posting the link. I can't post them here because people would complain.....if it was up to me I would. There is a difference between art and pornography folks. There is also a difference between girls on Spring break nude bicycle pics and vintage ads and posters that were made in an artistic manner for a real bike product. And there is also historical and cultural value in showing these things. Nudity in bike ads goes back to the eighteen hundreds by the way.......

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My guess that the obe posted by me is a recently issued poster. They are kind of like the pinup calendars until one sees the old Rossin ads...
Those are ads? What are they selling? [/QUOTE]

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Hi, I am the owner of this bike.
Sweet! If I remember correctly you had this on display at the Sydney Classic Bicycle Show a few years back. What a fantastic machine!
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I might be dumb but cant it be an aero feature so air can pass through under the rider without generating drag? Normally the tip of the seat would push most of the air up to the rider who is then acting as a sail... rest goes directly to the seatpost but while leaving the edge of the seat theres already pkenty of drag. (what did i just write??? pff must be tired sorry) The shape of the seat might even create some venturi effect although i really have no idea if that matters at such speeds and so low weight. Is anyone sharing the idea? Or better if the gurus of the Italian Uni also read, welcome to comment,
As Freud once said "Sometimes a bicycle seat is just a bicycle seat."

I love the "what did I just write...I am exhausted" part as I know the feeling....especially with all this craziness going on right now.....so don't worry Lattz....besides you get bonus points for the Swiss cheese reference which is inspiring me to go make a sandwich right now. Thanks.

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I just had a moment of self revelation.....it is way too time consuming to comment on every post......plus it must be really annoying to read my opinion on everything......you would think I would have figured this out earlier instead of after 1000 posts! Besides doing it that way is cutting into my book writing time and building up my laundry lint collection.

So from now on I have a couple goals: Only comment on other peoples posts once in a while......and include a picture in each response post to make it more interesting and new content. After all I am all about the eye candy. So don't take it personally anybody if I do not comment .....not a value judgement.....not that anyone takes my opinion that seriously anyway....which is a serious relief. Of course I will still be annoying you all with my own posts often....so you are not off the hook that easy. And thanks for all your posts from now on....every single one is appreciated by all of us I would hope.


My lint collection...........................just kidding about this last part....too disturbing for even me.

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This is a fantastic video of a bike store that would be my version of heaven....some of these bikes are MONSTERS in my book. The Gianni Motta one is probably my holy grail. And no I do not work for the store:


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As Freud once said "Sometimes a bicycle seat is just a bicycle seat."

I love the "what did I just write...I am exhausted" part as I know the feeling....especially with all this craziness going on right now.....so don't worry Lattz....besides you get bonus points for the Swiss cheese reference which is inspiring me to go make a sandwich right now. Thanks.

That looks so yummie!!
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Spotted in the Wild:

There's a lot going on here...


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That looks so yummie!!
It was scrumptious.....so was this:


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