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There is a bit of a difference you can cover a lot of ground in a car.(yes I know bikes can too, but a lot don't) Our government here in Australia doesn't have it's head up it's but and has introduced some sensible rules. You need exercise so you can ride your bike, or go for a jog, but not stupidly far from home. You must socially distance. Groups of unrelated or non households can't exceed 2 people. You can't just drive around randomly, you have to have a reasonable excuse. You can go to the beach, but if the beach gets crowded it gets closed immediately. Some states allow fishing, but again near home and with social distance. Basically if the mob stuff it up, it gets closed down and people get fined or locked up.
Since I need to drive for work sometimes I can definitely see way less traffic. The "great" thing for us here is that the USA is a perfect example of how not to deal with CV-19, the government goes "we don't want to end up like the USA" and the population on average goes "nope, that would be a bad idea" and toes the line.
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I'm also in New England and I'm solo riding as is specifically permitted under the rules in place in the two states I ride in (I live a few miles from the border). Cars and bikes scattered on the road is not a problem outside, groups of people congregating are. If you're riding close to someone else than you're a problem. If you're keeping your distance from everyone, than you're not. I'm not sure anything can be done safely outside in a crowded urban environment, but I don't live in one and I'm avoiding riding to or through them right now.
The big issue with driving is more about where you're going to get out of the car than it is with the actual driving.
Long story short--are you riding somewhere where you are in close proximity with other people? If not, you're not a part of any problem. If so, maybe take a break or change your route.
The big issue with driving is more about where you're going to get out of the car than it is with the actual driving.
Long story short--are you riding somewhere where you are in close proximity with other people? If not, you're not a part of any problem. If so, maybe take a break or change your route.
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Well, Yes and No. COVID-19 has a very short life in open air and only in close proximity, thus the 6ft. rule. In controlled conditions about half the virus might linger an hour, then disperses. Even during that time there’s only a slight chance of inhaling it. In an open air environment coming out of a fellow or nearby cyclists mouth at 12-15 mph, you would have to be nearby (riding a pace line ?) to inhale or get on your skin. It’s not a good idea to be riding with others is good advice, and when you pass others, don’t be sneezing or coughing. I’ve abandoned bike paths for this reason, too many people in close proximity, even though I’m riding by at 12 mph. And I move away from folks running or walking on sidewalks. The chances of contracting or spreading while you solo rode a bike on the streets is minuscule from all I’ve read.
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Here in Wisconsin, when the Governor announced the "Safer at Home" policy, he also waived the entrance fees at State Parks, so people could do something healthy outside. Unfortunately, some people abused this and used the parks in large groups, vandalized facilities, and dumped trash everywhere. So today, the Governor closed many of the parks (including the one closest to me, through which I routinely ride to get to the nice rural roads on top of the escarpment). This is why we can't have nice things.
https://fox11online.com/news/coronav...reas-shut-down
https://fox11online.com/news/coronav...reas-shut-down
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Here in Wisconsin, when the Governor announced the "Safer at Home" policy, he also waived the entrance fees at State Parks, so people could do something healthy outside. Unfortunately, some people abused this and used the parks in large groups, vandalized facilities, and dumped trash everywhere. So today, the Governor closed many of the parks (including the one closest to me, through which I routinely ride to get to the nice rural roads on top of the escarpment). This is why we can't have nice things.
https://fox11online.com/news/coronav...reas-shut-down
https://fox11online.com/news/coronav...reas-shut-down
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I suspect people would just park on the side of the road and create even more of a problem.
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I have thought they should close the parking lots in the state forest near here and make parking illegal. But I'm not convinced that isn't just selfishness on my part, since I ride my bike out there and most people are afraid to do that
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In Philadelphia they are not issuing meter violation tickets. Some people think that gives them license to do anything. There is a popular indoor farmers market type thing in town. You can now order on line for pickup. I was there the other day and saw people leaving there cars in one of the travel lanes because the curb parking was taken. A cop went car to car writing tickets.
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Here in Wisconsin, when the Governor announced the "Safer at Home" policy, he also waived the entrance fees at State Parks, so people could do something healthy outside. Unfortunately, some people abused this and used the parks in large groups, vandalized facilities, and dumped trash everywhere. So today, the Governor closed many of the parks (including the one closest to me, through which I routinely ride to get to the nice rural roads on top of the escarpment). This is why we can't have nice things.
https://fox11online.com/news/coronav...reas-shut-down
https://fox11online.com/news/coronav...reas-shut-down
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Actually if you are in a relatively new car, you are quite safe as most have a cabin filter. Why not go for a nice drive? Just because I bike, I do not hate cars.
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I was out on my bike riding the Burke-Gilman and Sammamish River Trails about two weeks ago on a Wednesday afternoon. This is in the north Seattle area. You would have thought it was a sunny summer Sunday afternoon it was so crowded. A lot of bikes, runners, walkers, rollerbladers, stroller pushers, and many people with their kids and dogs. That's why I avoid this trail on the weekends!
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How are you certain? My car will turn 4 in early July. Just went over 10,200 miles today while I was picking up my cat from the hospital. Drove him there Monday for an emergency and then went to a grocery store.
I think you are just trying to spawn a contentious thread.
I think you are just trying to spawn a contentious thread.
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My mileage would be lower, but at some point this winter or last fall I started having to go to my NJ office a couple of times a week to keep our president happy. About 35 miles round trip. At least because I was officially based in Philly I could put in for mileage and tolls.
Just as the weather was starting to turn and I was planning to resume a bike-train-bike commute there I was first told that I had to stay in Philly all the time to spread out people in the department in case one of us got sick. Then it was "work from home," so I don't even get to do my 2 mile commute into town.
Just as the weather was starting to turn and I was planning to resume a bike-train-bike commute there I was first told that I had to stay in Philly all the time to spread out people in the department in case one of us got sick. Then it was "work from home," so I don't even get to do my 2 mile commute into town.
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I don't think it matters really - even the slightest breeze will disperse/dilute any virus to pretty much zero in no time. I was out the other day and a truck ahead of me blasted a big gout of black exhaust - don't know if it was a mis-timed "coal roll" or if he was downshifting to climb a hill and his rings were bad - in any case, even though this is only maybe 50 yds ahead of me, it had been completely dispersed by the time I got there. I understand that smoke isn't virus, but it illustrates the dispersal power of the great outdoors. I personally have no concerns driving with the roof down these days. Same with cycling - I ride on country roads avoid crowds, give riders a decently wide berth if I overtake - out on the bike is probably the safest place I can be, COVIDly speaking
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My mileage would be lower, but at some point this winter or last fall I started having to go to my NJ office a couple of times a week to keep our president happy. About 35 miles round trip. At least because I was officially based in Philly I could put in for mileage and tolls.
Just as the weather was starting to turn and I was planning to resume a bike-train-bike commute there I was first told that I had to stay in Philly all the time to spread out people in the department in case one of us got sick. Then it was "work from home," so I don't even get to do my 2 mile commute into town.
Just as the weather was starting to turn and I was planning to resume a bike-train-bike commute there I was first told that I had to stay in Philly all the time to spread out people in the department in case one of us got sick. Then it was "work from home," so I don't even get to do my 2 mile commute into town.
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There's a lot of people in here that "just don't get it" with the "why" and "what" different aspects of the orders are meant to achieve.
Restaurants, theaters, malls, etc..........have what in common? Large crowds close together. Closer than 6' together. What's that got to do with a lone biker on the road or jogger exactly?
Italy and Spain, enough people still rode bikes in groups and went to cafes that the whole "ride alone" thing wasn't working. In the US, we're not a cycling country. So it isn't the same threat to spread.
So of ya'll need to take a seat yo.
Restaurants, theaters, malls, etc..........have what in common? Large crowds close together. Closer than 6' together. What's that got to do with a lone biker on the road or jogger exactly?
Italy and Spain, enough people still rode bikes in groups and went to cafes that the whole "ride alone" thing wasn't working. In the US, we're not a cycling country. So it isn't the same threat to spread.
So of ya'll need to take a seat yo.
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The other new sight is a lot of runners in bike lanes so they can avoid people on the narrow sidewalk of my old city. Many of them don’t bother to get back on the sidewalk as you are coming towards them.
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I went for a ride through center city Philly and other areas on Easter. Plenty of people on bikes. I have even been seeing families with young children riding on streets you would never see them on during normal times. Depends where you live.
The other new sight is a lot of runners in bike lanes so they can avoid people on the narrow sidewalk of my old city. Many of them don’t bother to get back on the sidewalk as you are coming towards them.
The other new sight is a lot of runners in bike lanes so they can avoid people on the narrow sidewalk of my old city. Many of them don’t bother to get back on the sidewalk as you are coming towards them.