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Old 02-15-20, 11:05 AM
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Ride ends with felony

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a3091...cling-florida/

If there were no witnesses this kid would have been .......
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Old 02-15-20, 11:35 AM
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They should have stopped especially if it's known to be monitored by officers looking for cyclists but this is a massive over reaction from the LEO.
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Old 02-15-20, 11:49 AM
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That cop was a dick.
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When I was a kid and rode bmx, I would ride my bike everywhere and I never thought stop signs applied to me. When I started cycling this year I had the same attitude, and didnít even realize I was in the wrong. I will say I donít understand why I would need to come to a stop and un clip when there is no traffic coming from either direction. To me that seems over kill and a waste of my time.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06 View Post
When I was a kid and rode bmx, I would ride my bike everywhere and I never thought stop signs applied to me. When I started cycling this year I had the same attitude, and didn’t even realize I was in the wrong. I will say I don’t understand why I would need to come to a stop and un clip when there is no traffic coming from either direction. To me that seems over kill and a waste of my time.
Especially when the majority of freakin motor vehicles don't eiither!


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Old 02-15-20, 12:34 PM
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If the cop truly yelled stop and thought the riders ignored him what follows is not only not surprising but expected as something likely to happen.
He won't be convicted of the charge. It will just be dropped outright or more likely to be dropped on the condition of pleading guilty to running a stop sign.
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--Pretty dumb by the cyclist to cruise through the intersection when the sheriff is standing right there. That said, it was obviously uncalled for to put the cyclist in handcuffs. WTF

--One time a policeman saw me roll through a red light (he was behind me and I didn't realize it). He put on his lights, but not the siren. I just happened to pull off the road right before turning onto an MUP, otherwise I might have missed him altogether. Anyway, he gave me a short warning and I was on my way.
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Old 02-15-20, 12:48 PM
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OK, now I've heard the audio. The arrested cyclist and the other cyclists did a poor job of communicating their "defense" to the cop. Very poor. Cop's behavior was reasonable in real-time under the circumstances. I still think the final outcome will be the serious charge of resisting arrest and whatever "fleeing" is will be dropped and the worse case outcome is a ticket for failure to stop at the stop sign.
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Old 02-15-20, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BengalCat View Post
If the cop truly yelled stop and thought the riders ignored him what follows is not only not surprising but expected as something likely to happen.
He won't be convicted of the charge. It will just be dropped outright or more likely to be dropped on the condition of pleading guilty to running a stop sign.
Meh I'm not buying that this should have happened with the kid in handcuffs and booked. A ticket? Sure. Resisting arrest!? No way, officer should've understood the initial confusion. Kids on bikes in full team kit getting treated like someone who just eluded in a motor vehicle doing 90? Gimme a break.
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Old 02-15-20, 01:57 PM
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Cop could have written them up for running the stop sign. The rest seems too harsh.
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The cop said this is a felony. That must be a very slow town if this is the kind of felony we need cops for.
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Old 02-15-20, 02:25 PM
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I think police performance is measured by how many people they book. When they have not got enough, they start booking people for very trivial things. Sometimes they make up false charges.

Police should be after the real criminals.
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Old 02-15-20, 02:28 PM
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Having watched the videos and read through the article, that is 100% the police officer imposing the power they're entrusted with to intimidate the people they're supposed to protect. What an embarrassment.
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Old 02-15-20, 02:47 PM
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Lighten up, folks!

The cop was arresting him for failure to obey or respond to his communication to stop. He was not arrested or charged with resisting arrest. He was simply warned not to resist. Notice the cop is not angry, belligerent or hotheaded.

The kid was handcuffed, not because it is legally required, but because when a police officer arrests someone it is a routine procedure for the cop's protection and to a certain extent at times the arrestees. However, it is a discretionary decision. ​​​​​​Refusing to stop for police or evading a police officer is the criminal act of not stopping when told to by a police officer. It does not matter whether the police officer verbally instructs a person to stop or flashes their lights.

A person can be charged with misdemeanor eluding police that is punishable by six months in county jail and/or $1,000 fine, or they could be charged with a felony. The type of evading police felony that a person is charged with depends on the facts of the case.

In the end, nothing serious is going to happen to the kid. He is likely just going to be ticketed for failure to stop at the stop sign.
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Old 02-15-20, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BengalCat View Post
Lighten up, folks! ... In the end, nothing serious is going to happen to the kid. He is likely just going to be ticketed for failure to stop at the stop sign.
I appreciate your jovial attitude towards this, but I've gotta ask- if the end result is a ticket for rolling the stop sign, why not just do that and call it a day? Does the difference between a basic "hey, you ran a stop sign so I'm going to have to give you a ticket" conversation, and arresting someone, threatening them with a felony, having them spend seven hours in jail, and forcing their family to scramble for bail money not register for you?
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Old 02-15-20, 03:23 PM
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Typical complete lack of cop judgment to place the overall situation into some kind of sensible, rasonable world context. Concrete, small-minded thinking. Or, non-thinking, rather. When law enforcement officers and prosecutors exercise their absolutely incalculabe power without employing commensurate good judgement, almost without excception, very bad things happen.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06 View Post
When I was a kid and rode bmx, I would ride my bike everywhere and I never thought stop signs applied to me. When I started cycling this year I had the same attitude, and didnít even realize I was in the wrong. I will say I donít understand why I would need to come to a stop and un clip when there is no traffic coming from either direction. To me that seems over kill and a waste of my time.
Some states have adopted the "Idaho Stop" that allows cyclists to treat stop signs as "yield" signs, and traffic lights like stop signs.

"The Idaho Stop, first passed in 1982, has been shown to have pretty significant safety benefits. Bicycle injuries dropped 14 percent in Idaho the year following its passage. A 2010 study by Berkeley researcher Jason Meggs found bike safety was about 30 percent better in Idaho cities than comparable peers."
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Originally Posted by bahula03 View Post
I appreciate your jovial attitude towards this, but I've gotta ask- if the end result is a ticket for rolling the stop sign, why not just do that and call it a day? Does the difference between a basic "hey, you ran a stop sign so I'm going to have to give you a ticket" conversation, and arresting someone, threatening them with a felony, having them spend seven hours in jail, and forcing their family to scramble for bail money not register for you?
Pay attention. You are claiming "facts that are not in evidence" and or you have no knowledge are true. (Spending time in jail, needing to get bail money is just wild speculation by you that given what we do know so far is more likely false than true in this case. Also, he was arrested for failing to stop not, as far as we know, for running a stop sign.)

He didn't "threaten" anyone with a felony. He simply pointed out what under the law could be a felony. (See my last post that specifically addresses that.)

The whole episode at this point from what we have seen and heard, and we believe it, happened due to just one big misunderstanding.
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Cop could have written them up for running the stop sign. The rest seems too harsh.
I saw a stop sign for the road that the cop was on... but not for the direction that the cyclists were coming from. The road just turns left.

Did I miss the sign? Is it really in the video?



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Are we watching the same video? That guy was a dick. I know that not a lot of people believe this but even on a nice road bike, full kit in a pace line, you still gotta obey the traffic laws. He didn't think so, he was wrong. The gathering crowd yelling at the cop probably didn't help. If he woulda just stopped, was polite,I imagine this would have went very differently.
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Are we watching the same video? That guy was a dick. I know that not a lot of people believe this but even on a nice road bike, full kit in a pace line, you still gotta obey the traffic laws. He didn't think so, he was wrong. The gathering crowd yelling at the cop probably didn't help. If he woulda just stopped, was polite,I imagine this would have went very differently.
Iím not sure if this is on a different video. On the video I saw, there is NO STOP SIGN on the side of the road FROM THE DIRECTION THE RIDERS ARE COMING FROM, PRIOR to the intersection. The stop sign from the officerís video is for the side road the cop is on that intersects the road the cyclists are on at the curve. If there is a stop sign. can someone please point that out to me. Iíll check again and if so Iíll edit my response.
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Ok, just checked the two videos again. There is NO STOP SIGN for the cyclists that they supposedly ran. That stop sign in the video is for traffic coming from the side road were the cops were parked.
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Originally Posted by alo View Post
I think police performance is measured by how many people they book. When they have not got enough, they start booking people for very trivial things. Sometimes they make up false charges.

Police should be after the real criminals.
The cops that go after the "real criminals" work in a department called Internal Affairs.
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Originally Posted by BengalCat View Post
Pay attention. You are claiming "facts that are not in evidence" and or you have no knowledge are true. (Spending time in jail, needing to get bail money is just wild speculation by you that given what we do know so far is more likely false than true in this case. Also, he was arrested for failing to stop not, as far as we know, for running a stop sign.)

He didn't "threaten" anyone with a felony. He simply pointed out what under the law could be a felony. (See my last post that specifically addresses that.)

The whole episode at this point from what we have seen and heard, and we believe it, happened due to just one big misunderstanding.
I take it you didn't read the accompanying article?

He takes Lopez to the Seminole County Jail, where Lopez is booked on a misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest without violence and fleeing and eluding a law enforcement officer, a felony. Lopez would be in jail for seven hours before his father, who was also on the ride that morning, could post $8,500 bail.
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