Shimano FD-R8050 suddenly too far outboard
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Shimano FD-R8050 suddenly too far outboard
Not really interested in opinions of Di2 so start your own thread if that's your comment.
This thread is about an FD-R8050 which had been working fine and the cage is suddenly too far outboard. It won't shift into the little ring and drops the chain on the outside of the big ring.
Nothing changed. No work was done to the bike. It was transported on its side, drive side up in the back of an SUV and was ridden about a mile or two before a race Saturday. Nothing was wrong at that time. I noticed something wrong as soon as the race started and it had to be run as a 1x in the big ring all day.
The high screw is turned all the way out so the derailleur cage is as far inboard as possible The brace screw is correctly tightened. I've put it in adjustment mode and moved the derailleur all the way inboard 24 clicks. It is still too far outboard.
Crankset was removed and the bottom bracket was checked - it is tight and no bearing issues. I can't see any cracks in the frame. The derailleur clamp was removed, cleaned and reinstalled with no issues found. The derailleur cage is parallel with the chainrings so it isn't an angle/clamp rotation issue. Nothing on the derailleur appears bent.
Neither PC nor iPhone versions of E-Tube have the error check function but I did hook up the system both ways and updates firmware on the FD, RD, wireless unit and battery. No change.
The cage is just too far outboard.
I'm about to initiate a warranty claim but am supposed to go bikepacking Sunday and would like to resolve this if possible. This will be the third time I've postponed this trip and I'd hate to have to wait. Hopefully someone has heard of this issue and can advise.
-Tim-
This thread is about an FD-R8050 which had been working fine and the cage is suddenly too far outboard. It won't shift into the little ring and drops the chain on the outside of the big ring.
Nothing changed. No work was done to the bike. It was transported on its side, drive side up in the back of an SUV and was ridden about a mile or two before a race Saturday. Nothing was wrong at that time. I noticed something wrong as soon as the race started and it had to be run as a 1x in the big ring all day.
The high screw is turned all the way out so the derailleur cage is as far inboard as possible The brace screw is correctly tightened. I've put it in adjustment mode and moved the derailleur all the way inboard 24 clicks. It is still too far outboard.
Crankset was removed and the bottom bracket was checked - it is tight and no bearing issues. I can't see any cracks in the frame. The derailleur clamp was removed, cleaned and reinstalled with no issues found. The derailleur cage is parallel with the chainrings so it isn't an angle/clamp rotation issue. Nothing on the derailleur appears bent.
Neither PC nor iPhone versions of E-Tube have the error check function but I did hook up the system both ways and updates firmware on the FD, RD, wireless unit and battery. No change.
The cage is just too far outboard.
I'm about to initiate a warranty claim but am supposed to go bikepacking Sunday and would like to resolve this if possible. This will be the third time I've postponed this trip and I'd hate to have to wait. Hopefully someone has heard of this issue and can advise.
-Tim-
Last edited by TimothyH; 07-03-19 at 09:17 PM.
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That’s super strange. So you still have the normal range of adjustment and it still shifts but is too far outboard?
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OK, if it was working fine before, and nothing has changed (or has broken), it should be possible to re-zero it and start afresh. (You have nothing to lose).
If nothing else, get the chain on the smaller chainring so you can do your trip.
Slightly coincidently, I had to adjust my H limit screw for the first time in 5 years. I have no idea why.
At risk of telling you what you already know:
If nothing else, get the chain on the smaller chainring so you can do your trip.
Slightly coincidently, I had to adjust my H limit screw for the first time in 5 years. I have no idea why.
At risk of telling you what you already know:
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The only other thing I can think of is Crash Recovery Mode, but I think this is only something that would involve the rear derailleur.
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Is it setup braze or clamp on? Is it possible the clamp moved, or the braze got bent?
Edit: Nevermind, I read the post properly.
Edit: Nevermind, I read the post properly.
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The brace screw is correctly tightened.
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Not really interested in opinions of Di2 so start your own thread if that's your comment.
This thread is about an FD-R8050 which had been working fine and the cage is suddenly too far outboard. It won't shift into the little ring and drops the chain on the outside of the big ring.
Nothing changed. No work was done to the bike. It was transported on its side, drive side up in the back of an SUV and was ridden about a mile or two before a race Saturday. Nothing was wrong at that time. I noticed something wrong as soon as the race started and it had to be run as a 1x in the big ring all day.
The high screw is turned all the way out so the derailleur cage is as far inboard as possible The brace screw is correctly tightened. I've put it in adjustment mode and moved the derailleur all the way inboard 24 clicks. It is still too far outboard.
Crankset was removed and the bottom bracket was checked - it is tight and no bearing issues. I can't see any cracks in the frame. The derailleur clamp was removed, cleaned and reinstalled with no issues found. The derailleur cage is parallel with the chainrings so it isn't an angle/clamp rotation issue. Nothing on the derailleur appears bent.
Neither PC nor iPhone versions of E-Tube have the error check function but I did hook up the system both ways and updates firmware on the FD, RD, wireless unit and battery. No change.
The cage is just too far outboard.
I'm about to initiate a warranty claim but am supposed to go bikepacking Sunday and would like to resolve this if possible. This will be the third time I've postponed this trip and I'd hate to have to wait. Hopefully someone has heard of this issue and can advise.
-Tim-
This thread is about an FD-R8050 which had been working fine and the cage is suddenly too far outboard. It won't shift into the little ring and drops the chain on the outside of the big ring.
Nothing changed. No work was done to the bike. It was transported on its side, drive side up in the back of an SUV and was ridden about a mile or two before a race Saturday. Nothing was wrong at that time. I noticed something wrong as soon as the race started and it had to be run as a 1x in the big ring all day.
The high screw is turned all the way out so the derailleur cage is as far inboard as possible The brace screw is correctly tightened. I've put it in adjustment mode and moved the derailleur all the way inboard 24 clicks. It is still too far outboard.
Crankset was removed and the bottom bracket was checked - it is tight and no bearing issues. I can't see any cracks in the frame. The derailleur clamp was removed, cleaned and reinstalled with no issues found. The derailleur cage is parallel with the chainrings so it isn't an angle/clamp rotation issue. Nothing on the derailleur appears bent.
Neither PC nor iPhone versions of E-Tube have the error check function but I did hook up the system both ways and updates firmware on the FD, RD, wireless unit and battery. No change.
The cage is just too far outboard.
I'm about to initiate a warranty claim but am supposed to go bikepacking Sunday and would like to resolve this if possible. This will be the third time I've postponed this trip and I'd hate to have to wait. Hopefully someone has heard of this issue and can advise.
-Tim-
Are your chainring bolts still secured?
Is yours a braze-on or a clamp on? You mentioned the frame looks good--is the braze (if applicable) still healthy and hearty? When you put things back together were the spacers/washers correctly distributed DS/NDS? Needing more than the programmed Di2 stop adjustments to me shouts out-of-spec RD mounting...and the only way that overnight happens is something breaking....
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He says it is a clamp-on. Hence my question.
Another idea:
Did you take apart the crank or bb, and if so, is there any chance a spacer got put in differently?
Another idea:
Did you take apart the crank or bb, and if so, is there any chance a spacer got put in differently?
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How? Is there a factory default reset procedure or something?
Or do you mean setting it up from scratch?
The small screw is a "support bolt" which touches the seat tube or derailleur clamp and prevents the derailleur from flexing as it shunts the chain on upshifts.
There are only 18 adjustment stops on the FD in each direction from the starting (0) position....at least according to pg137 of the Shimano DM.
Are your chainring bolts still secured?
Is yours a braze-on or a clamp on? You mentioned the frame looks good--is the braze (if applicable) still healthy and hearty? When you put things back together were the spacers/washers correctly distributed DS/NDS? Needing more than the programmed Di2 stop adjustments to me shouts out-of-spec RD mounting...and the only way that overnight happens is something breaking....
Are your chainring bolts still secured?
Is yours a braze-on or a clamp on? You mentioned the frame looks good--is the braze (if applicable) still healthy and hearty? When you put things back together were the spacers/washers correctly distributed DS/NDS? Needing more than the programmed Di2 stop adjustments to me shouts out-of-spec RD mounting...and the only way that overnight happens is something breaking....
It is a braze-on derailleur with the braze-on clamp adapter on the seat tube. The chainring bolts are tight. Cranks are Ultegra with Enduro Torqtite bottom bracket set up the same way they have always been.
It didn't break overnight. I rode it 1 or 2 miles warmup before the race and it was fine. I sat 20 minutes at the start line, the gun went off, I started to pedal and knew something was wrong right away due to chain rub. The first downshift failed to move into the small ring and subsequent upshift moved the chain off the big ring on the outside. Something changed between warm up and starting the race.
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Have you checked that there's no broken part? I seem to recall a thread about a broken "lever" on the FD. Something like:
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Since the Di2 is an electrical system the FD gets a signal from the shifter then the charging thing in the handle bars. For the problem to have happened so quickly it sounds like an electrical failure more than a mechanical one.
Do you have another Di2 bike or buddy with one to swap parts to trouble shoot? I would start with the handle bar charger unit.
You can buy a climbing switch to replace the brake lever/shifter switch to eliminate that part.
Good luck
Do you have another Di2 bike or buddy with one to swap parts to trouble shoot? I would start with the handle bar charger unit.
You can buy a climbing switch to replace the brake lever/shifter switch to eliminate that part.
Good luck
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What's wrong with it is now moot. The mounting bolt hole is now stripped. The threads have pulled out and the derailleur can no longer be mounted. I'm scrupulous about using a torque wrench but there it is.
A few more data points for posterity...
It does move 36 increments when Di2 is placed into front derailleur adjustment mode.
The derailleur was placed into adjustment mode and moved all the way inboard, 36 clicks. The high limit screw was completely removed. This placed the derailleur cage as far inboard as it can possibly go but even so, the outer cage plate was still outboard of the big ring. This convinces me that something inside the derailleur bent, gears have skipped or similar.
Either way, it is fubar.
Three attempts to get this bikepacking trip done...
A few more data points for posterity...
It does move 36 increments when Di2 is placed into front derailleur adjustment mode.
The derailleur was placed into adjustment mode and moved all the way inboard, 36 clicks. The high limit screw was completely removed. This placed the derailleur cage as far inboard as it can possibly go but even so, the outer cage plate was still outboard of the big ring. This convinces me that something inside the derailleur bent, gears have skipped or similar.
Either way, it is fubar.
Three attempts to get this bikepacking trip done...
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Strange coincidence that my Di2 FD also suddenly went too far outboard and I had the chain drop off the big ring this past Saturday in the middle of a ride. My LBS said the bolts were loose and the support bolt wasn't even touching the frame. My FD is also a braze on setup. I never did anything to the FD other than playing with the micro adjustment setting when I first got the bike back in April, and the shop built it up for my test ride of it so I assume everything should have been torqued to spec.
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Strange coincidence that my Di2 FD also suddenly went too far outboard and I had the chain drop off the big ring this past Saturday in the middle of a ride. My LBS said the bolts were loose and the support bolt wasn't even touching the frame. My FD is also a braze on setup. I never did anything to the FD other than playing with the micro adjustment setting when I first got the bike back in April, and the shop built it up for my test ride of it so I assume everything should have been torqued to spec.
Which bolts?
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