donrhummy

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/...tail/1174.html

Some comments by some LBS owners:

classic1

At least until the time Contador is called to task over Operation Puerto anyway.

wfrogge

Greg making comments about Armstrong had zero impact on Trek sales.. ZERO..... Greg speaks the truth about doping.... I think Greg has sour grapes because he missed the EPO boat back in the early 90s but none the less he speaks the truth.

Screw Trek.

teterider

Read. Only one side and Trek surely will have a very good story on their side when it comes to trial.

https://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/media/e...008_Lemond.pdf

donrhummy

Sure, but they DID have impact on Lemond sales and that's Trek's point.

Also, it's interesting to note that the interview with the retailers was done by an independent news organization not by Trek. Granted, it's likely both Trek and Greg have some correct claims but I think it speaks volumes that those dealers seem to agree with Trek's claims.

wfrogge

How do they know it had an impact? My guess is 99% of cyclists buying a bike dont know about Lemond's rants about doping over the past 10 years.

Either way there was no impact on sales due to Greg bashing Armstrong. Keep sucking on Lance's teet Trek......... keep going

Rutnick

Because I ride a 2006 Zurich and EVERY freaking time LeMond opened his yapper....I would hear about it from riders from all over the freaking place just because I rode one. It would make things interesting in a 30 person paceline.

I freaking got tired of hearing it and now I get to hear it more with the new saga. I'd sell the bike if I didn't like the Zurich's carbon spine/steel feel.

BTW, if you are going to use someone's name, at least give the M the proper cap

Dubbayoo

By using the same method that makes you so sure it didn't.

Rutnick

Because the bike shop that I bought my LeMond from quit carrying the bikes basically a year ago despite the owner riding a 2005 Tete.

BigSean

Im not sure what Lemond is thinking. He has made himself look very jealous over the years about Lance's success. I at one time liked Lemond, but that was many years ago. In recent years I have found him to be annoying. Not to mention that he has let himself go physically, just doesnt seem to be the best spokesman for a bike. Seems he is on a lawsuit binge of late.

gurana

+1. It'd be difficult to prove either way. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that there was no effect to sales, being that most find it difficult to prove a negative in the first place.

In my personal estimation, LeMond bikes have lost some appeal over the last couple of years (which is as long as I've been aware of their existence to be honest). Which is to say, I was immediately impressed, but as time wore on, I just don't see it anymore. Is this because of all of Greg LeMond's doping allegations? I don't know, but the two things certainly coincide. I was never a huge admirer of Trek bikes, but over the years my low esteem for them has remained pretty much the same. Oddly enough, I'd say that this most recent drama has made me more sympathetic to them.

donrhummy

Read the article I posted. THAT is evidence. TWO LBS owners said that his comments affect their sales of Lemond bikes. These dealers actaully deal with customers and talk to them about the bikes they're looking to buy and they both say it affected their sales. That is evidence.

El Diablo Rojo

God forbid that anyone speak out against St Lance. All GL ever did was say that LA's relationship with Ferrari was questionable. In the atmosphere that has surrounded Pro Cycling GL was right. Ferrari is a proponent of PED's being his client is probably not the smartest thing given the circumstances. From a business standpoint I can understand Trek wanting it's brand associated with LA, however for them to demand silence from arguably the greatest American cyclist is reprehensable. Please remember that most of GL's comments came after he was contacted and asked his opinion. He didn't just come out and start ranting about drugs in cycling. After living Austin TX for some time I've also got to hear from the locals about the vindictiveness of LA, he's not choir boy.

SpeedNut

They were already going to part ways in 2010, so I don't know what the big deal is, LeMond personally is more involved in his excercise bike business anyway.

musto_skiff

I wonder what this means for those of us with LeMond bikes ... what happens if we have a warranty issue?

botto 

More likely a case of you being incorrect. Again.

wfrogge

That article states nothing more but opinions coming from Trek/LeMond dealers..... Opinions not fact. Trek has done its best to bury the LeMond name over the past 5+ years. Now I await the Armstrong bike .

Love how that one shop owner says LeMond's negative comments about the sport have hurt sales of his bikes. Somebody buy that shop owner a clue... the vast majority of the pro peleton has been doping since the beginning of the sport.

bonechilling

I don't understand this line of thinking. Greg LeMond is one of the greatest cyclists of all time, why would he want to skip forward a few years to have his Herculean efforts effectively negated by a bunch of dopers.

If anything, I think that Greg has sour grapes because he got hit in the chest with a shotgun blast at close range, and it took years off his racing career and probably his life. He's bummed because he probably could have one five tours and a slew of other races without a setback like that.

El Diablo Rojo

+1. Greg put US cycling on the map and inspired cyclists of my age to get on a road bike. Gregs biggest mistake was to in anyway cast a shadow on the Great Lance Armstrong. If it is ever proved that LA doped Greg will look a lot less 'crazy' than the Lance Lovers would like him to be.

wfrogge

The only way Greg would have won 5 tours is if he used EPO.....


Indurain placed 17th in 1989 and 10th in 1990... Not even close to being a threat to LeMond or the other leaders then out of nowhere he wins and dominates 5 tours in a row? At that level you dont make a jump like that without help from a drug... you just dont.

Lets say LeMond's accident hurt him and cut his career short and that was the cause of the torch being passed too early. Look at Andy Hampsten then..... Why did he fall off the GC map after 1990?.. Three letters EPO.

It got to a point where all the pros were on EPO and winning or clean and getting dropped.... Either you doped and got paid or stayed clean and quit the sport. Some of those guys had crit levels in the 60s from the stuff... You cant naturally compete with that.

Was Lance great? Sure..... He was the best of the best dopers of his day.

bonechilling

I'm not saying that EPO wasn't common and isn't a problem, I just don't think that LeMond regrets missing the EPO boom. I thought my post was pretty clear about that.

ElJamoquio

99% of people buying a bike probably don't know.

10-50% of target- Lemond-customers probably know.

crisi13

SOOO.........I'm planning on buying a Lemond on Friday....good idea or no?

dcbikeguy

You can tell everything about a man by the way he treats the women in his life. I suppose that's a different thread though.

Ttown

according to 1990 tdf dvd..indurain was 10th 12:47 behind lemond. Most of that time was lost in alpe d'heuz stage where he was 12+ min back of leaders after working hard for delgado. Indurain won stage 16 to luz ardiden and finished ahead of lemond on the 2 indiv TT stages.