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Help me choose please
hi All
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I needed your expert opinions on 2 bikes that I have shortlisted for myself -
1- Specialized Allez 2018, costs $750 and has pretty good reviews everywhere as a beginner`s bike ( plus it comes from a trusted and globally known brand ).
2- Airen Sport 2017 from Diamondback, a not very much known brand (??) , not many reviews online about this model and is made for women (and I am a 5'7'' tall guy) ! But it costs $ 450 and has the same components as those of above Specialized model.
Can you tell me please, which one should I choose ( there is a huge $300 cost difference) ?
Will a bike made for women be not fit for men ( I have talked to DB and they say quite a few men buy this model and since I am not very tall, it may fit me ??) ? I know their geometry is a bit different, but does it make any difference ?
I will only use it for commute and some weekend rides. Am not into riding bikes and probably will never be one ! However, I do want to own a nice bike that lasts a long -long time and is not very costly as well. This could probably be the only bike that I will ever own.
Thank you very much guys. Have a great day.
Greetings
I needed your expert opinions on 2 bikes that I have shortlisted for myself -
1- Specialized Allez 2018, costs $750 and has pretty good reviews everywhere as a beginner`s bike ( plus it comes from a trusted and globally known brand ).
2- Airen Sport 2017 from Diamondback, a not very much known brand (??) , not many reviews online about this model and is made for women (and I am a 5'7'' tall guy) ! But it costs $ 450 and has the same components as those of above Specialized model.
Can you tell me please, which one should I choose ( there is a huge $300 cost difference) ?
Will a bike made for women be not fit for men ( I have talked to DB and they say quite a few men buy this model and since I am not very tall, it may fit me ??) ? I know their geometry is a bit different, but does it make any difference ?
I will only use it for commute and some weekend rides. Am not into riding bikes and probably will never be one ! However, I do want to own a nice bike that lasts a long -long time and is not very costly as well. This could probably be the only bike that I will ever own.
Thank you very much guys. Have a great day.
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Specialized Allez has several versions. The one that closest matches that price has a carbon fork and seat tube, something the Airen sport does not have.
That will make big difference in ride quality for the better, and thus costs more.
"I know their geometry is a bit different, but does it make any difference "
geometry is everything. A women's bike will tend to have a shorter top tube and longer seat tube.
If you have really long legs for a guy, then it is probably ok.
If you don't, you will feel like you are sitting upright and "squished" into the bike with your hands too close to your body. Kind of like having a steering wheel that is too close for comfort while driving.
That will make big difference in ride quality for the better, and thus costs more.
"I know their geometry is a bit different, but does it make any difference "
geometry is everything. A women's bike will tend to have a shorter top tube and longer seat tube.
If you have really long legs for a guy, then it is probably ok.
If you don't, you will feel like you are sitting upright and "squished" into the bike with your hands too close to your body. Kind of like having a steering wheel that is too close for comfort while driving.
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The Arien Sport costs $349.99 with the corporate discount if you sign up for an account on their website. You just need the code. CYCLE4TAW was the one I used. If it doesn't work just do a google search and you should be able to find it. There was also a thread about it here. It also works with Raleigh bikes, they're the same company,
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I beg to differ with the opinion that a carbon fork and seat post (seat tube as referenced) improve ride quality that is appreciatively noticed, especially the seat post, and especially at the novice level. Do not let a carbon post and fork determine the outcome. I have titanium and steel bikes that out perform in the comfort category anything carbon I have owned or ridden.
For a new rider, a good fit to the bike is first and foremost. This truly is where comfort is found. Second is the quality of shifters, wheels, drive train. In that order. Frame material comes in dead last.
For a new rider, a good fit to the bike is first and foremost. This truly is where comfort is found. Second is the quality of shifters, wheels, drive train. In that order. Frame material comes in dead last.
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I beg to differ with the opinion that a carbon fork and seat post (seat tube as referenced) improve ride quality that is appreciatively noticed, especially the seat post, and especially at the novice level. Do not let a carbon post and fork determine the outcome. I have titanium and steel bikes that out perform in the comfort category anything carbon I have owned or ridden.
For a new rider, a good fit to the bike is first and foremost. This truly is where comfort is found. Second is the quality of shifters, wheels, drive train. In that order. Frame material comes in dead last.
For a new rider, a good fit to the bike is first and foremost. This truly is where comfort is found. Second is the quality of shifters, wheels, drive train. In that order. Frame material comes in dead last.
As far as the 2 bikes go, the Diamondback roadbikes I've seen are pretty nicely made, The Allez is very nice as well with a better known name. Whether that matters, you'll have to decide.
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That difference is not because of leg length though. If anything, men have proportionally longer legs more often then women.
Are Women's Body Proportions Different From Men's? -
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hey
I have a Specialized Allez 2018, . Its a great bike , more comfy geometry then previous versions , Great looking paint job , Great reviews . From what i have read the frame and fork are rated 5 stars. The bike rides great
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How thinly can you slice baloney?
The bicycle component makers all produce several grades of components. The more expensive ones really are a little bit nicer, but the dirty little secret is that even the cheap ones really are functional. How you fit on a particular bike should be the number one criteria.
You mentioned that one of the models you mentioned is considered to be a "woman's" bike. What that usually means is that the reach from the saddle to the handlebars is a little bit shorter than on a bike with more conventional geometry. That's because women, on average, have longer legs relative to their torso than men so they put the handlebars a little bit closer. There are a lot of similar details related to how you fit on the bike. Fit will affect your comfort, power and performance every single minute you are on the bike. A more precise shifting system only matters while you are actually shifting - probably way, way less than 1% of your riding time. Fit is much more important.
The other factor that is under appreciated is pride of ownership. That's because nobody wants to admit it. That's where the nicer components, slightly lighter overall weight, color choices and graphics come into play. Before discarding pride of ownership as a criteria, think about looking at your bike every time that you get ready to ride and thinking yourself "I wish I would have gotten the other one."
The bicycle component makers all produce several grades of components. The more expensive ones really are a little bit nicer, but the dirty little secret is that even the cheap ones really are functional. How you fit on a particular bike should be the number one criteria.
You mentioned that one of the models you mentioned is considered to be a "woman's" bike. What that usually means is that the reach from the saddle to the handlebars is a little bit shorter than on a bike with more conventional geometry. That's because women, on average, have longer legs relative to their torso than men so they put the handlebars a little bit closer. There are a lot of similar details related to how you fit on the bike. Fit will affect your comfort, power and performance every single minute you are on the bike. A more precise shifting system only matters while you are actually shifting - probably way, way less than 1% of your riding time. Fit is much more important.
The other factor that is under appreciated is pride of ownership. That's because nobody wants to admit it. That's where the nicer components, slightly lighter overall weight, color choices and graphics come into play. Before discarding pride of ownership as a criteria, think about looking at your bike every time that you get ready to ride and thinking yourself "I wish I would have gotten the other one."
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I'd go for the 2018 specialized allez myself as they tend to be better engineered frames regarding ride comfort. Components are at the bottom of my list as as long as you're buying $400 and up and not shifting while sprinting they tend to be very similar. I did feel bikes with a carbon fork had a consistently less buzzy ride the last time I was bike buying, though that was a bit back.
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