How much is the Raphael Geminiani worth?
02-19-19, 10:19 PM
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02-20-19, 06:47 AM
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Raphael Geminiani was a famous French professional cyclist of the post war era. Circa 1955 he established his own bicycle brand to provide bicycles for his team. Geminiani are quite rare in N. America and those that do surface are typically a Cizeron product from the eastern industrial region of France.
Based on the lack of braze-ons the subject bicycle is probably no newer than mid-1970s. Based on the presence of chrome stays, it is likely a mid-range model. Given that the OP wants a single and assuming that they like the style, it is easily worth the asking price, with some caveats. First is the size. This is a very tall frame and too big for the current owner based on the saddle height. It's probably appropriate for someone around 6'0". Second, it is old enough that all the threading and component sizing will be the metric standard, which limits parts availability. Finally, and most importantly, it has a suspiciously steep head tube and the front tyre is very close to the down tube. Often, this is indicative of a front end crash but the picture resolution is insufficient to tell if this is the case.
Based on the lack of braze-ons the subject bicycle is probably no newer than mid-1970s. Based on the presence of chrome stays, it is likely a mid-range model. Given that the OP wants a single and assuming that they like the style, it is easily worth the asking price, with some caveats. First is the size. This is a very tall frame and too big for the current owner based on the saddle height. It's probably appropriate for someone around 6'0". Second, it is old enough that all the threading and component sizing will be the metric standard, which limits parts availability. Finally, and most importantly, it has a suspiciously steep head tube and the front tyre is very close to the down tube. Often, this is indicative of a front end crash but the picture resolution is insufficient to tell if this is the case.
02-20-19, 10:45 AM
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Thanks! Seems like you did get quite a bit from that picture. Its interesting that this appears to be a mid-range model, might make me bite the bullet soon. Seeing that he converted it himself may mean newer parts already in place which im entirely ok with, i'd just need to find a suitable saddle. Im 5'10 and a half. Veering very close to 5'11.
Here are a few more images I snagged from the post one including the front end of the bike
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im gur com /a / IB2v XL Q
(again remove spaces and add a period this time. I had to add a few more because it keeps stopping me from posting. I believe that should be able to post links and images after this)
Here are a few more images I snagged from the post one including the front end of the bike
im gur com / Raz tnO 8
im gur com /a / IB2v XL Q
(again remove spaces and add a period this time. I had to add a few more because it keeps stopping me from posting. I believe that should be able to post links and images after this)
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02-20-19, 03:39 PM
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While the green and light blue Geminiani's both show steep head tubes, both appear to have more clearance between the front tyre and down tube. While there's no visible distortion in the additional photos, there's also a decal placed over where the paint would show cracks or flaking. I'm still not convinced it isn't bent but I'd have to see it in person.
Looks like it has Reynolds 531 decals. Dropouts appear to be stamped but seat cluster workmanship and post size still make it look at least mid-range.
Looks like it has Reynolds 531 decals. Dropouts appear to be stamped but seat cluster workmanship and post size still make it look at least mid-range.
02-20-19, 08:15 PM
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Raphael Geminiani was a famous French professional cyclist of the post war era. Circa 1955 he established his own bicycle brand to provide bicycles for his team. Geminiani are quite rare in N. America and those that do surface are typically a Cizeron product from the eastern industrial region of France.
Based on the lack of braze-ons the subject bicycle is probably no newer than mid-1970s. Based on the presence of chrome stays, it is likely a mid-range model. Given that the OP wants a single and assuming that they like the style, it is easily worth the asking price, with some caveats. First is the size. This is a very tall frame and too big for the current owner based on the saddle height. It's probably appropriate for someone around 6'0". Second, it is old enough that all the threading and component sizing will be the metric standard, which limits parts availability. Finally, and most importantly, it has a suspiciously steep head tube and the front tyre is very close to the down tube. Often, this is indicative of a front end crash but the picture resolution is insufficient to tell if this is the case.
Based on the lack of braze-ons the subject bicycle is probably no newer than mid-1970s. Based on the presence of chrome stays, it is likely a mid-range model. Given that the OP wants a single and assuming that they like the style, it is easily worth the asking price, with some caveats. First is the size. This is a very tall frame and too big for the current owner based on the saddle height. It's probably appropriate for someone around 6'0". Second, it is old enough that all the threading and component sizing will be the metric standard, which limits parts availability. Finally, and most importantly, it has a suspiciously steep head tube and the front tyre is very close to the down tube. Often, this is indicative of a front end crash but the picture resolution is insufficient to tell if this is the case.
While the green and light blue Geminiani's both show steep head tubes, both appear to have more clearance between the front tyre and down tube. While there's no visible distortion in the additional photos, there's also a decal placed over where the paint would show cracks or flaking. I'm still not convinced it isn't bent but I'd have to see it in person.
Looks like it has Reynolds 531 decals. Dropouts appear to be stamped but seat cluster workmanship and post size still make it look at least mid-range.
Looks like it has Reynolds 531 decals. Dropouts appear to be stamped but seat cluster workmanship and post size still make it look at least mid-range.
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02-20-19, 09:56 PM
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Something that could visually be at play is the seat tube is likely at 75'. The women bike looks pretty nice, get that if the other craps out.
Last edited by Mr. 66; 02-20-19 at 10:00 PM.
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