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Generally speaking... Does a steel rim have a seam?

Old 08-14-20, 04:41 PM
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Generally speaking... Does a steel rim have a seam?

I just bought a cheap Mongoose Mutant kids bike with 16 inch (36 hole!) wheels.

I can't see or feel a seam anywhere on its painted rims. Is there a seam? Seems like there should be.

It should be on the opposite side of the valve hole?

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Take off the tyre. I doubt they painted the inside.
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How could it NOT have a seam?
Likely it's welded, but should be quite visible from the rim strip side. They don't finish grind/polish the weld on that side.
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Yes, every steel rim I've seen (and that's a LOT) have has seams. Some better finished then others.

Has the OP confirmed the rim is steel with a magnet? Andy
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Originally Posted by blamester
Take off the tyre. I doubt they painted the inside.
Right! I will look there, someday.

Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
Has the OP confirmed the rim is steel with a magnet?
Yes, it's magnetic.

No biggie, I just wanted to know for sure that it's supposed to have a seam (opposite the valve).

Thanks.

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Old 08-14-20, 07:23 PM
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There's no reason why on low end high production rims that the seam has to be or will be diametrically across from the valve hole. Andy
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
There's no reason why on low end high production rims that the seam has to be or will be diametrically across from the valve hole. Andy
What does that mean?
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Originally Posted by Badzilla
What does that mean?
It means they can punch the valve hole pretty much wherever they want.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that you seem disappointed because you can't see the seam.
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Originally Posted by Badzilla
What does that mean?
"It should be on the opposite side of the valve hole?" Your words. Not always the way. Andy
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
There's no reason why on low end high production rims that the seam has to be or will be diametrically across from the valve hole. Andy
Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun
It means they can punch the valve hole pretty much wherever they want.
Even on low end stuff, it still makes sense to put the seam opposite the valve hole. The seam is heavier because a splice is used to join the two ends. Also, the end with the valve hole is heavier because of the valve stem in the tube, so it makes sense to directly offset the two heaviest points of the rim/tube/tire combo.
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Originally Posted by Iride01
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that you seem disappointed because you can't see the seam.
Of course that's good. I most definitely will look for the seam on the inside when the tire is removed. All 8 of my (recent life) aluminum rims have had an obvious seam. I always point the seam so the break doesn't catch on it.

It has 36 holes on a 16 inch wheel. In years of looking around, I overlooked it probably because it has a steel frame. Will weigh the frame when everything is removed. My 20 inch aluminum frames are 2.8-3 pounds.

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Originally Posted by Rogerogeroge
Even on low end stuff, it still makes sense to put the seam opposite the valve hole.
It may make sense, but when the overriding objective is to meet a low price point, that small additional effort may be too much.
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Originally Posted by Rogerogeroge
Even on low end stuff, it still makes sense to put the seam opposite the valve hole. The seam is heavier because a splice is used to join the two ends. Also, the end with the valve hole is heavier because of the valve stem in the tube, so it makes sense to directly offset the two heaviest points of the rim/tube/tire combo.
It's not about what makes sense.
It's what's "possible", even if it doesn't make sense.
Hardly worth quoting someone on such a trivial matter.
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Welded, ground smooth (mostly on the outside), and painted. Look for the part of the rim where the surface reflects light just a bit different than the rest.

Or if you're really curious, deflate the rear tire, put your finger in the gap, feel the rim bead, and work your way around the circumference until you cut yourself on that hideously sharp weld slag that *every crappy steel rim* has in it. I've seen steel cruiser rims with such bad slag that they would puncture any tube installed in them. Had to pull out the death wheel to grind one smooth once.

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