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I am overhauling a mountain bike...a Gravity "Base camp," mountain bike. I managed to get the crank bolts out after soaking them overnight with JB Blaster (liquid wrench.) Either they dogged them down to tight, corrosion, or both made them hard to remove. Now I am running into another obstacle and that's pulling the cranks off. I've already managed the strip the outside threads on one and neither are budging. I don't think my crank puller tool is going to work. I might go get a gear puller and see if that can help me get the cranks off. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Did your crank have something you thought was just a dust cover on it with a hex hole in it just above the crank bolt? If so, put the bolt back in and the cover on and then stick your hex key for the bolt through the hole in the cover and unscrew the bolt. That will push the crank arm off. No pullers needed as they were built in to the design.
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A Jacobs chuck removal wedge set (#3 size IIRC) is useful for removing stuck cranks. They are nice because the force is directed parallel to the spindle.
Reasonable heat, like heat gun or hairdryer, not torch, on the crank eyes is also helpful. I have also had success with getting a removal tool tight and then applying a hand sledge blow to the tool's screw, in line with the crank spindle, NOT sideways.
Edit: A machine shop may have the wedges.
Reasonable heat, like heat gun or hairdryer, not torch, on the crank eyes is also helpful. I have also had success with getting a removal tool tight and then applying a hand sledge blow to the tool's screw, in line with the crank spindle, NOT sideways.
Edit: A machine shop may have the wedges.
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If you haven't taken the bike down too far, another option is to find a steep hill and ride it repeatedly
under high torque (as high a gear as your legs will allow). This, along with pretreatment with PBlaster
or similar may loosen the crank. I had personal experience when I rebuilt my bent 10yrs ago
and couldn't easily remove the DS crank. Rebuilt bike but forgot to put the fixing bolt in. Got about
20 miles (only a few hills) before the crank fell off. Using wedges will be difficult if the chainrings
are in the way. OTOH a gear puller might be able to grab a chain ring and pull off the crank.
under high torque (as high a gear as your legs will allow). This, along with pretreatment with PBlaster
or similar may loosen the crank. I had personal experience when I rebuilt my bent 10yrs ago
and couldn't easily remove the DS crank. Rebuilt bike but forgot to put the fixing bolt in. Got about
20 miles (only a few hills) before the crank fell off. Using wedges will be difficult if the chainrings
are in the way. OTOH a gear puller might be able to grab a chain ring and pull off the crank.
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What's the part number on the crank puller you're using? You should be using CP-22 or equal, not CP-44. It looks like some deformation in the crank arms, like the puller "shoe" is too big, which is like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
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Did your crank have something you thought was just a dust cover on it with a hex hole in it just above the crank bolt? If so, put the bolt back in and the cover on and then stick your hex key for the bolt through the hole in the cover and unscrew the bolt. That will push the crank arm off. No pullers needed as they were built in to the design.
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This is the number I got off of the tool. bike hand yc 215 cp.
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If you haven't taken the bike down too far, another option is to find a steep hill and ride it repeatedly
under high torque (as high a gear as your legs will allow). This, along with pretreatment with PBlaster
or similar may loosen the crank. I had personal experience when I rebuilt my bent 10yrs ago
and couldn't easily remove the DS crank. Rebuilt bike but forgot to put the fixing bolt in. Got about
20 miles (only a few hills) before the crank fell off. Using wedges will be difficult if the chainrings
are in the way. OTOH a gear puller might be able to grab a chain ring and pull off the crank.
under high torque (as high a gear as your legs will allow). This, along with pretreatment with PBlaster
or similar may loosen the crank. I had personal experience when I rebuilt my bent 10yrs ago
and couldn't easily remove the DS crank. Rebuilt bike but forgot to put the fixing bolt in. Got about
20 miles (only a few hills) before the crank fell off. Using wedges will be difficult if the chainrings
are in the way. OTOH a gear puller might be able to grab a chain ring and pull off the crank.
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A similar tool I can see has both sizes on it. If yours is two-sided, are you using the smaller side? Maybe a photo of the tool would help.
In any case, one side is stripped out and I've sometimes had luck with an automotive tie rod puller, a "pickle fork," It will likely dent the BB shell. Getting "purchase" with a gear puller can be difficult. Heat and impact is a favorite technique. I've never tried cycling with the bolt out, and I'd give that a try.
In any case, one side is stripped out and I've sometimes had luck with an automotive tie rod puller, a "pickle fork," It will likely dent the BB shell. Getting "purchase" with a gear puller can be difficult. Heat and impact is a favorite technique. I've never tried cycling with the bolt out, and I'd give that a try.
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A similar tool I can see has both sizes on it. If yours is two-sided, are you using the smaller side? Maybe a photo of the tool would help.
In any case, one side is stripped out and I've sometimes had luck with an automotive tie rod puller, a "pickle fork," It will likely dent the BB shell. Getting "purchase" with a gear puller can be difficult. Heat and impact is a favorite technique. I've never tried cycling with the bolt out, and I'd give that a try.
In any case, one side is stripped out and I've sometimes had luck with an automotive tie rod puller, a "pickle fork," It will likely dent the BB shell. Getting "purchase" with a gear puller can be difficult. Heat and impact is a favorite technique. I've never tried cycling with the bolt out, and I'd give that a try.
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Good luck. I think you're going to have to use Sawzall to cut them off like I had to do.
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Good idea.
Sometimes, and it's super rare, crank arms just get stuck like this, and you don't find out until it's too late. Chalk it up to bad luck, don't worry about it, and move on.
For the arm that's not stripped, use one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Park-Tool-C...MAAOSwpCFctkF-
Sometimes, and it's super rare, crank arms just get stuck like this, and you don't find out until it's too late. Chalk it up to bad luck, don't worry about it, and move on.
For the arm that's not stripped, use one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Park-Tool-C...MAAOSwpCFctkF-
Last edited by SurferRosa; 10-02-20 at 04:50 PM.
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The crank is coming off, hell or high water. I ordered a new crank, and it will get here in about a week or two. I knew I was going to have some issues with the bike when I got it. It looks like it was left outside. Hence the reason why I am overhauling it. Pets and bikes should never be left outside. I learned a valuable lesson and next time. I'll make sure that I use the proper tool.
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Did your crank have something you thought was just a dust cover on it with a hex hole in it just above the crank bolt? If so, put the bolt back in and the cover on and then stick your hex key for the bolt through the hole in the cover and unscrew the bolt. That will push the crank arm off. No pullers needed as they were built in to the design.
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Use a pickle fork, most chain auto part stores will loan one for free.
Jump to the 3:00 minute mark.
Jump to the 3:00 minute mark.
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In any case, one side is stripped out and I've sometimes had luck with an automotive tie rod puller, a "pickle fork," It will likely dent the BB shell. Getting "purchase" with a gear puller can be difficult. Heat and impact is a favorite technique. I've never tried cycling with the bolt out, and I'd give that a try.
I recently bought a set of Jacobs wedges after seeing dsbrantjr suggest them but haven't had the chance to use them.
Recently tried to remove a crank with self extracting bolts. Of course destroyed the self extracting part in short order. Will probably need the Jacobs wedges the day that needs to come off.
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For the OP, that Bike Hand puller comes from the factory set up for Octalink BBs, so the head was too big to push on the actual BB, it was pushing on the crank, like Andrewclaus was saying. You need to pull the mushroom shaped head off it to use with square taper. If you can't pull it off by hand, screw/retract the head inside the body until the head pops off.
Self extracting crank bolts are OK, but you need to buy quality ones, like FSA. Cheap ones aren't strong enough, they can split, leaving a piece stuck in the crank or strip out and damage the crank threads.
Self extracting crank bolts are OK, but you need to buy quality ones, like FSA. Cheap ones aren't strong enough, they can split, leaving a piece stuck in the crank or strip out and damage the crank threads.
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A similar tool I can see has both sizes on it. If yours is two-sided, are you using the smaller side? Maybe a photo of the tool would help.
In any case, one side is stripped out and I've sometimes had luck with an automotive tie rod puller, a "pickle fork," It will likely dent the BB shell. Getting "purchase" with a gear puller can be difficult. Heat and impact is a favorite technique. I've never tried cycling with the bolt out, and I'd give that a try.
In any case, one side is stripped out and I've sometimes had luck with an automotive tie rod puller, a "pickle fork," It will likely dent the BB shell. Getting "purchase" with a gear puller can be difficult. Heat and impact is a favorite technique. I've never tried cycling with the bolt out, and I'd give that a try.
Good luck.
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We buy hardwood wedges by the pallet for adjusting sewer frames and blocking pipe. They work pretty well too.
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The round disk on the tool looks too big to contact just the spindle. As if it may be touching the crank, not the spindle.
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