Would a self driving car world make it safe for cyclists?
03-21-18, 02:41 PM
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They moved to Linux not to make money but to avoid losing it to competitors.
They didn't move to Linux to distinguish themselves but to make them equivalent (on some level) with competitors.
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Investigators don't speak, at least not unless it is anonymously (which, if I can't listen to the Sheriff, should I listen to an anonymous source?). PR and the brass talk to press. That is pretty much SOP.
Well, when folks give more credibility to the notion that there is some conspiracy between the Tempe PD and SF Chronicle to bolster Uber's image than there is the chance that someone just stepped in front of a vehicle, folks don't come off as much more believable than flat earthers. Especially so when I look at SF Chronicle's coverage of Uber over the last 15 months and see any number of unattractive headlines: https://www.google.com/search?q=uber...16%2F2018&tbm=
Just a couple found in that search:
Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress
California tells Uber it’s sloppy about ditching drunken drivers
Report: Secret Uber program 'Hell' spied on Lyft drivers
SF to Uber: Provide driver info — it’s the law
Uber hacking cover-up triggers government probes
Uber, Lyft drivers earn abysmal wages, according to disputed report
Can I accept that there is some tiny possibility Uber is actually buying everyone off? Sure, it isn't impossible. Do I think there is any sort of minuscule, remote probability? De nada.
Well, we agree on this
Although, I still contend many (even if not you) would argue that Uber doctored it in some way even if it were released and showed exactly what the sheriff said
Well, when folks give more credibility to the notion that there is some conspiracy between the Tempe PD and SF Chronicle to bolster Uber's image than there is the chance that someone just stepped in front of a vehicle, folks don't come off as much more believable than flat earthers. Especially so when I look at SF Chronicle's coverage of Uber over the last 15 months and see any number of unattractive headlines: https://www.google.com/search?q=uber...16%2F2018&tbm=
Just a couple found in that search:
Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress
California tells Uber it’s sloppy about ditching drunken drivers
Report: Secret Uber program 'Hell' spied on Lyft drivers
SF to Uber: Provide driver info — it’s the law
Uber hacking cover-up triggers government probes
Uber, Lyft drivers earn abysmal wages, according to disputed report
Can I accept that there is some tiny possibility Uber is actually buying everyone off? Sure, it isn't impossible. Do I think there is any sort of minuscule, remote probability? De nada.
Well, we agree on this
Although, I still contend many (even if not you) would argue that Uber doctored it in some way even if it were released and showed exactly what the sheriff said
New CEO is saying the right things and getting rid of the right people, but how much of the culture remains is an open question.
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03-21-18, 02:47 PM
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The human brain is an amazing organ. It can process so much information whether you are aware of it or not in an instant.
The problem is how it is transferred into action, which as we all know is wrong too many times. Otherwise the 35000 road deaths a year in the US would be much lower and due to true accidents totally beyond control.
Computers would be programmed to react correctly but the problem is for it to process the same amount of information the human brain would be able to.
The problem is how it is transferred into action, which as we all know is wrong too many times. Otherwise the 35000 road deaths a year in the US would be much lower and due to true accidents totally beyond control.
Computers would be programmed to react correctly but the problem is for it to process the same amount of information the human brain would be able to.
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It's weird.
They are paid to do it but the result doesn't produce income directly.
The AV companies (at the moment) are looking at the effort/cost of writing software as a competitive advantage. (Just like Boeing and Airbus do.)
It doesn't make sense for them to give away the results of that expensive effort to their competitors.
Companies pay people to contribute to open source software because the alternative (proprietary software) is considered too expensive or not a competitive advantage.
They are paid to do it but the result doesn't produce income directly.
The AV companies (at the moment) are looking at the effort/cost of writing software as a competitive advantage. (Just like Boeing and Airbus do.)
It doesn't make sense for them to give away the results of that expensive effort to their competitors.
Companies pay people to contribute to open source software because the alternative (proprietary software) is considered too expensive or not a competitive advantage.
Reality is the even though Linux is "open source" many if not most companies do pay companies like Red Hat for linux and support.
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03-21-18, 02:52 PM
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It's a statistical versus ethical choice with less potential deaths = more gooder.
A driver using ethics would potentially avoid a smaller number of toddlers and children while taking out a larger number of adults and old people. And people might agree with the choice.
The key to beat the other form of transportation is to simply ride in a larger group to make the machine think of you as less of a target.
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The move to Linux was mostly driven by it being "free" (or much less expensive than the alternatives).
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Clients used to pay much more for OS software and support before the move to Linux.
They pay less with Linux.
Companies moved off of MVS to Unix in the 1990's because it was cheaper.
IBM lowered the cost to keep that migration from happening (it didn't work entirely).
Companies like HP moved to Linux because clients were choosing cheaper competitors using Linux.
The market refused to pay money for something when they could have good-enough Linux for significantly less.
Companies like IBM/HP had to move to Linux or lose clients.
They pay less with Linux.
Companies moved off of MVS to Unix in the 1990's because it was cheaper.
IBM lowered the cost to keep that migration from happening (it didn't work entirely).
Companies like HP moved to Linux because clients were choosing cheaper competitors using Linux.
The market refused to pay money for something when they could have good-enough Linux for significantly less.
Companies like IBM/HP had to move to Linux or lose clients.
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uber under previous CEO was pretty clearly willing to hide, cheat, break the law and use other companies IP and if he were still in charge anything could be possible as to doctoring and obfuscation
New CEO is saying the right things and getting rid of the right people, but how much of the culture remains is an open question.
New CEO is saying the right things and getting rid of the right people, but how much of the culture remains is an open question.
And to bring it back to open source, if Linux is the better choice, I am kinda surprised why every computer I have ever been issued in the working world is closed source Windows.
03-21-18, 03:13 PM
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A big reason people use Windows is because that's the only thing Word/Excel run on.
Linux appears much more popular for big servers (which suggests it's the "better choice" there).
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One of the thorny ethical issues related to the trolley problem is "can I get a car that would favor the lives of its passengers over non passengers?"
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Don't take anything from my stance on this incident as support of Uber. They are an awful company I don't particularly like, however I am as capable of separating the company from the incident as I am the fact it was a homeless lady with a history of drug use that was killed as I am it was a felon operating the car. All points are immaterial to the incident itself.
And to bring it back to open source, if Linux is the better choice, I am kinda surprised why every computer I have ever been issued in the working world is closed source Windows.
And to bring it back to open source, if Linux is the better choice, I am kinda surprised why every computer I have ever been issued in the working world is closed source Windows.
as to open source..... most of what we are talking about is OS (operating systems for servers) Unix use to rule with proprietary version linked to hardware SunOS for Solaris/Sparc etc, HPux for HP machines. Then Linus torvald creates Linux and it works on x86 architecture....and off we go to cheaper servers, cheaper OS...Sun dieing (we have a couple of Solaris around) etc.
however the majority of end user software is not open source (oracle, Siebel, Microsoft office, adobe etc)
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03-21-18, 04:54 PM
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It's a statistical versus ethical choice with less potential deaths = more gooder.
A driver using ethics would potentially avoid a smaller number of toddlers and children while taking out a larger number of adults and old people. And people might agree with the choice.
The key to beat the other form of transportation is to simply ride in a larger group to make the machine think of you as less of a target.
A driver using ethics would potentially avoid a smaller number of toddlers and children while taking out a larger number of adults and old people. And people might agree with the choice.
The key to beat the other form of transportation is to simply ride in a larger group to make the machine think of you as less of a target.
Having to choose only between the bus of kids and the lone pedestrian means non-car people are lower in the social hierarchy than the people in the car, who are protected by seatbelts, airbags, and the strength of the frame and chassis.
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Like I posted in #211, why can't the car choose itself? No lives lost. That's the minimum number.
Having to choose only between the bus of kids and the lone pedestrian means non-car people are lower in the social hierarchy than the people in the car, who are protected by seatbelts, airbags, and the strength of the frame and chassis.
Having to choose only between the bus of kids and the lone pedestrian means non-car people are lower in the social hierarchy than the people in the car, who are protected by seatbelts, airbags, and the strength of the frame and chassis.
People might desire a vehicle that favors itself over the rest of the world, but I think that would be outlawed.
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She crossed from the left.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
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She crossed from the left.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
03-21-18, 05:45 PM
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To Mr. Rogers there was no Trolley Problem. Prince Tuesday and Daniel Striped Tiger always listened when told to be careful near Trolley's tracks.
Boy, A&S would give the guys at Philosophy Talk a conundrum.
Boy, A&S would give the guys at Philosophy Talk a conundrum.
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She crossed from the left.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
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She crossed from the left.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03..._recirc_recent
Why didn't she see the car coming?
The person in the car wasn't looking at the road (it appears).
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03-21-18, 06:15 PM
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So the car was speeding, but it was all the pedestrians fault?
So the car was speeding, but it was all the pedestrians fault?
I am quite willing to accept that the police did not know what they were talking about.
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03-21-18, 06:18 PM
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The photo you are displaying is missing text associated with the right arrow.
"Elaine Herzberg was struck while walking her bike across the street somewhere in this area."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...an-killed.html
It's not clear whether the right pointing arrow is indicating the direction she was moving (it certainly suggests the direction).
There is nothing that I've seen that clearly indicates what direction she was moving.
"Elaine Herzberg was struck while walking her bike across the street somewhere in this area."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...an-killed.html
It's not clear whether the right pointing arrow is indicating the direction she was moving (it certainly suggests the direction).
There is nothing that I've seen that clearly indicates what direction she was moving.
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03-21-18, 06:24 PM
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Direct sunlight into the sensor is known to blind them, but why shadows would defeat LIDAR makes me scratch my head.
She might still have been hit, depending on the math, but the car should have been in emergency brake mode.
Edit: Here is the tech it uses. How does the pedestrian get missed by both LIDAR and RADAR?
https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/19/he...t-pedestrians/