Why so serious, the flashy Italian gets taken down a peg
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I tend to agree with the CL responder. Something tells me OP will not find his happy place here.
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"All right, bike, where were you on the night of the 17th? We know you conspired with the Rubik's cube. Talk! This interrogation light is just the beginning..."
"All right, bike, where were you on the night of the 17th? We know you conspired with the Rubik's cube. Talk! This interrogation light is just the beginning..."
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-Kurt
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"Don't get cute with me, boy. And if you don't raise the nose of your saddle, I'm going to do it for you. You pull that punk attitude on me, I'll disassemble your ass. We know you got rid of the matching front tire after the hit. We'll find it. That'll be all the evidence we need, and you know it..."
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"Don't get cute with me, boy. And if you don't raise the nose of your saddle, I'm going to do it for you. You pull that punk attitude on me, I'll disassemble your ass. We know you got rid of the matching front tire after the hit. We'll find it. That'll be all the evidence we need, and you know it..."
-Kurt
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the proof is in the pudding
look at it another way, unless you are selling a project that is not ready to ride, then as a seller who has done mechanical work to the bicycle, there is an implied liability and worst case, forgetting the buyer gets hurt due to a mechanical adjustment defect...
there is a moral obligation to put it together in safe operating condition.
plenty advertise on CL offering a project.
there is a moral obligation to put it together in safe operating condition.
plenty advertise on CL offering a project.
given the once over by an impartial dealer and should walk away if you expected to ride away
and that's not happening.
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If not, are they supposed to walk away...or fork over $595 and pray really hard to La Madonna del Ghisallo?
At those prices, an honest seller says "ready to ride" when they mean it - not "good luck, sucker, I've got your money."
-Kurt
P.S.: Keep digging that hole, if you insist. It's most amusing.
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Once aware of the situation, I implemented a policy of one person build the bike, then pass it on to a second person to check it over for flaws. Then, with the double check done and signed by both guys or gals, it came to me for a final check and I, too, signed the work order. I was tough on my checks and tried to use the system to teach others how to do the build properly. The system is still in place today, I believe, although I am no longer part of it.
I honestly felt that we were doing our best to meet a customer's needs and ensure safety. If something did go wrong, I felt confident that we could prove "due diligence" to a judge, if we had to. Since then B4H has sold a lot of bikes without a single mishap occurring.
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Yeah, man, but things like that cable that Kurt noticed going down past the rim... I mean, there's a basic level of expectation a $500+ buyer is gonna have, you know? You're not throwing it up there for a song as a project saying, hey, it's as-is, cheap, have at it - you're asking real money. It's incongruous, and people point out these basic errors - why not learn from it & reset expectations?
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",Nobody will ever give you $595 for that pile. "All Campagnolo"? Get real dude. Misleading ****ers like you who don;t know anything about bikes clutter up CL with your vintage thrift store, garage sale, dumpster diver garbage and pretend to know something about collectible bikes. Moron."
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For some reason, we are plagued with this sort of thing on the bay Area CL
Two 80 year old barn find bicycles and extra wheels
So you guys who know what make and model and year these old bicycles are, have 10 days to make your best offers and the guy that offers me the most gets the bicycles.
Low ballers don't have a chance.
Check my other listings frequently for more great stuff.
Low ballers don't have a chance.
Check my other listings frequently for more great stuff.
Many of my really nice bikes came from down in the Bay Area, where $600 used to buy a lot of bicycle.
If I lived closer to San Francisco, I'd probably have ended up with too many bikes sooner than I have.
A Garlatti would not be one of them, but I guess everyone has an idea of what's a treasure.
I think of myself as pretty knowledgeable on buying used bikes, and an experienced mechanic. I still miss stuff occasionally.
But at least I discover it before I hurt myself, when I do the overhaul. Caveat Emptor is not a suitable defense for this OP CL ad. It just isn't.
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Yeah, man, but things like that cable that Kurt noticed going down past the rim... I mean, there's a basic level of expectation a $500+ buyer is gonna have, you know? You're not throwing it up there for a song as a project saying, hey, it's as-is, cheap, have at it - you're asking real money. It's incongruous, and people point out these basic errors - why not learn from it & reset expectations?
i'll remember only to post pictures of the finished project in the future or at least qualify the state of the build so nobody feels obligated to ride their high horse
the majority of people seriously looking for a bike have a pretty good idea of what they want, what they want to spend and will
Unviega Sport upgrade
bring a friend, People spend crazy money on cars at least with a bike you see what you get
at $595 it's not going to sell but people will look at it, didn't think about a storm in the tea cup though
I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offer
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I know, right?
It never ceases to amuse and amaze me, how people have a nice bike and take such crappy pictures of it, and don't take the time to orient them properly. Its also "amusing" to see someone selling a fabulous old bike in excellent condition and they can't even take the time to clean up the fuzzy chain and cogs or wipe down the paint. Its hilarious when people do this and then complain that no one wants their bikes, or they don't want to pay the asking price. DUH.
It never ceases to amuse and amaze me, how people have a nice bike and take such crappy pictures of it, and don't take the time to orient them properly. Its also "amusing" to see someone selling a fabulous old bike in excellent condition and they can't even take the time to clean up the fuzzy chain and cogs or wipe down the paint. Its hilarious when people do this and then complain that no one wants their bikes, or they don't want to pay the asking price. DUH.
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I do appreciate the advice and opinions I've been lucky enough to get, members posting specs and giving history for my latest rescues, randyjawa and juvela gave me invaluable information on the Garletti and I got similair help with my Lotus but not my Bianchi which I thought would have been easier.
i'll remember only to post pictures of the finished project in the future or at least qualify the state of the build so nobody feels obligated to ride their high horse
the majority of people seriously looking for a bike have a pretty good idea of what they want, what they want to spend and will
Unviega Sport upgrade
bring a friend, People spend crazy money on cars at least with a bike you see what you get
at $595 it's not going to sell but people will look at it, didn't think about a storm in the tea cup though
I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offerA guaranteed personality
i'll remember only to post pictures of the finished project in the future or at least qualify the state of the build so nobody feels obligated to ride their high horse
the majority of people seriously looking for a bike have a pretty good idea of what they want, what they want to spend and will
Unviega Sport upgrade
bring a friend, People spend crazy money on cars at least with a bike you see what you get
at $595 it's not going to sell but people will look at it, didn't think about a storm in the tea cup though
I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offerA guaranteed personality
i'll remember only to post pictures of the finished project in the future
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plenty of that, much directed at his own wares, better repack the bearings.
The other images of his bikes, including his "keeper" show a tremendous lack of understanding of sound mechanics.
beyond that, there is Sidney Powell logic at work in the defense.
The other images of his bikes, including his "keeper" show a tremendous lack of understanding of sound mechanics.
beyond that, there is Sidney Powell logic at work in the defense.
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at $595 it's not going to sell but people will look at it
I really think it's the faux sales thing that is putting people off.