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Old 03-31-21, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearhawker
My last multi-day trip was around the Cabot Trail in Cape Breton. 3 days, 300km, ~4100m of climbing total (2000-ish meters on day 2)
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I took seven days, and I had enough off-the-bike time to enjoy it.

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^^ and you don't have to cook ice cream!

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Originally Posted by Bearhawker
My last multi-day trip was around the Cabot Trail in Cape Breton. 3 days, 300km, ~4100m of climbing total (2000-ish meters on day 2)

My Wahoo Roam claims I burned north of 5000 calories a day. Likely so.

I rode each day' ~100km fasted. Only ate supper and couldn't get more than a can of spam down.. maybe a couple of hard boiled eggs the 1st night. Roughly 1000 calories a day and all the water I could drink.

North of 15,000 calories burned while fasting, little more than 3000 calories consumed over 3 long hard days. I gained 3 pounds body weight. lol

My preferred food for rides is pemmican - you cannot beat the energy for the weight. I ate spam on this ride purely as a convenience.
ooof, a 2000 metre day is a tough one, bike weight a factor for sure, still tough though.

funny how people are so different, there is no way in hades that I can't fuel regularly, I've toured enough to know and listen to my body, so have it down fairly well by now, but I certainly need to regularly fuel. Smaller amounts more often tend to work better, especially in hot weather.
Doing what you did would have had me eaten by buzzards by about day two.....
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Originally Posted by Bearhawker
^^ and you don't have to cook ice cream!

You do if you want Baked Alaska.
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Another iteration wrt the question of how to select food items when volume is a consideration (ex: a trip segment w/o resupply option for a week, in bear country --> 10L for a bear canister/Ursack). Below is a scattergram displaying the number of calories and proteins per ml (not grams).

Turns out that, yes, peanut butter is in a class of its own. Nutella is another great source of calories per unit of volume. At the other end of the spectrum, banana chips have a disappointing yield (more air than substance). For those worried about my mental health, not to worry -- (1) a back-of-the-envelope calculation has convinced me that it is quite feasible to eat well for 10+ days on a 10L food supply. (2) I am basically done searching for data and narrowing down the options.

One question, perhaps -- one of my preferred option is satay sauce over ramen (melted peanut butter + coconut powder + chili + fish sauce). Unfortunately, it leaves a greasy mess in the pot, requiring soap to clean, whereas, say, with a couscous a rinse with fresh water is enough to clean your pot. Ideas?

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Old 03-31-21, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearhawker
My last multi-day trip was around the Cabot Trail in Cape Breton. 3 days, 300km, ~4100m of climbing total (2000-ish meters on day 2)

My Wahoo Roam claims I burned north of 5000 calories a day. Likely so.

I rode each day' ~100km fasted. Only ate supper and couldn't get more than a can of spam down.. maybe a couple of hard boiled eggs the 1st night. Roughly 1000 calories a day and all the water I could drink.

North of 15,000 calories burned while fasting, little more than 3000 calories consumed over 3 long hard days. I gained 3 pounds body weight. lol

My preferred food for rides is pemmican - you cannot beat the energy for the weight. I ate spam on this ride purely as a convenience.
Water retention in endurance sports is a real thing
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Old 03-31-21, 06:16 PM
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The hardest part of the whole ride was actually trying to eat enough. It's HARD to force down 5000-6000 calories in one sitting after riding all day. Not having to cook at the end of the day was nice - to the point where I will seriously consider going cookless on my cross-Canada ride in 2023. I will probably have a stove with me for times I have little choice, but cooking will be low on my list of priorities.

The most interesting thing was watching the 25+ other riders... they ate as much as they could for breakfast and stuffed all their pockets/bags/etc with all the energy gels, power bars & whatnot they could... just to make it to the next break stop where they repeated the same over all day. It was fascinating!

Me? Some tea while the others stuffed themselves and then just water & electrolytes until the end of the day and supper.

Even though I was on a fatbike and riding at an endurance pace I was never the last one into camp at the end of the day.
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You rode the Cabot trail on paved roads on a fat bike?
I mean, cool and all, but why?
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Originally Posted by Bearhawker
The hardest part of the whole ride was actually trying to eat enough. It's HARD to force down 5000-6000 calories in one sitting after riding all day. ....
If it helps any, there are 7 calories per gram of ethanol, but that is not an advisable choice for complete replacement of all calories consumed on a hard ride.

When I rode Cabot Trail, I did not realize at the time how preferable seven days of riding was over three (in my case, days were measured from a campground on the mainland near the causeway), but I likely would have guessed correctly.

When I am bike touring near a coast and eat food cooked by others, one of my go to preferences is fish and chips. I had that twice on Cape Breton Island.





And there is a Tim Hortons on the mainland only a few km from the causeway.

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Originally Posted by Bearhawker
The hardest part of the whole ride was actually trying to eat enough. It's HARD to force down 5000-6000 calories in one sitting after riding all day...
I'm confused. Did you cram down 5000 - 6000 calories or 1000?
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet
I'm confused. Did you cram down 5000 - 6000 calories or 1000?

1000. I should have crammed in 5000+ based on calculated energy spent but I couldn't eat more than 1000. I was hungry at the end of the days but not starving. I felt full after the 1000 or so calories and could not have choked anything else down.

Had the ride continued for more days, I may eventually have been able to eat more daily. I'll know for sure when I cross Canada in a couple years
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Originally Posted by djb
You rode the Cabot trail on paved roads on a fat bike?
I mean, cool and all, but why?
My road bike was destroyed in June of the same year (2019)... the "Tour de Cabot" was the August/September long weekend. The crash that killed my bike also resulted in 9 ribs broken in 15 places, a collapsed lung and other stuff - I wasn't sure when I'd be back on the bike so I didn't rush to replace it. Turns out I was riding back to work within 4 weeks and the Cabot Trail in 2.5 months.

I already had the fatbike... so I slapped some el-cheapo Canadian Tire Kenda 4" (my "narrow" street tires! lol) and voila - the Bigfoot 6.1 has been my new road bike since.

Still haven't replaced the road bike... The settlement is closing in so maybe there is a new bike in my upcoming season?

Fun facts:
1) 28-42 is not the end of the world for climbing Cape Breton's hills.
2) a dropper post is the ultimate secret weapon for descending... lower your center of gravity without the risk of a "super tuck"
3) my new top speed of 67.7 km/h is FAST on a fatbike.
4) nothing has ever activated my pucker factor quite like grabbing some front brake to bleed off speed before the next hairpin only to be met with the characteristic noise & vibration that signifies a loose front skewer on my Bigfoot.

Yes - ~70km/h on a fatbike with a front wheel literally only held on by gravity. One bump away from a long fall and and a swim. Good thing I'm not prone to panic in emergencies. LOL
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^^^ Good grief! ... to all of it! 😅 Glad you’ve recovered!
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Originally Posted by Bearhawker
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4) nothing has ever activated my pucker factor quite like grabbing some front brake to bleed off speed before the next hairpin only to be met with the characteristic noise & vibration that signifies a loose front skewer on my Bigfoot.
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So, YOU are the reason that bike manufacturers want all of us to use through axles instead of quick release.

If bikes and related supplies are as hard to find in PEI as they are in USA these days, good luck replacing your road bike with something you like that fits.

Just curious, did you pedal up this 13 percent grade hill? Or did you push teh bike part way.



I do not remember which of the mountains on Cabot Trail that was.
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good grief Charlie Brown indeed.
Well, I hope that with dodging that bullet you are hopefully more thorough with checking stuff regularly--listen, we've probably all done some dumbass stuff that luckily had us dodging a bullet (I know I have), so I get it.....but sheeeesh, a loose qr??

and ya, good luck on teh bike front, you will want to get on that, or at least be at least deep into the researching phase for a cc trip bike.

oh, and 67 klicks/h on 4"ers must have made one hell of a lot of tire noise.
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I pushed part of the way as I went off pavement and had to stop for some reason. I could not get started again until the next false plateau. lol

Oh - the QR worked itself loose. It was tight before the ride. Happened twice on that trip. Almost like the Bigfoot wasn't designed for taking potholes at car speeds with 30PSI in the tires or something... what were the designers thinking? 6 psi on snow for 10 km? haha
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Touch wood, I have to say, I've never had a qr loosen.
touch wood again.
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I have never had a quick release work loose either.

When touring, I usually use bolt on skewers instead of quick release. I get the plain ones that use a 5mm allen wrench, not one that uses a special key that I would most certainly lose. That might help with loosening problems. The reason that I use them is for theft reduction. I do not want someone to steal a wheel or two, and I am assuming that the thieves are opportunists, do not carry allen wrenches. And to make sure that I do not have trouble, I keep an extra allen wrench with my spare tube in case I misplaced my multi-tool..

On a couple of my bikes that have thick dropouts in back I needed extra long bolt on skewers, used Halo XL ones. These ones are a bit odd, there is only one spring and there is a tab that keeps the nut from turning, that tab goes into the slot in the dropout for the axle. If you are not careful, you could accidently bend that tab if you did not get it seated right.
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Just got back from a week on the road. When I couldn't find a meal elsewhere, I relied on those foil pouches of chicken and tuna. Added a block of cheese and some bread along with a bag of chips. Nothing but the finest for my palate.
Of course for breakfast, Pop Tarts, the breakfast of champions.

And btw, neither skewer loosened up, so I dodged a bullet there ; )
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Originally Posted by robow
Just got back from a week on the road. When I couldn't find a meal elsewhere, I relied on those foil pouches of chicken and tuna. Added a block of cheese and some bread along with a bag of chips. Nothing but the finest for my palate.
Of course for breakfast, Pop Tarts, the breakfast of champions.

And btw, neither skewer loosened up, so I dodged a bullet there ; )
Reminds me of some lunches I had last summer during some longer one day bike rides, but I also remembered to bring the wine.


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Just got back from a week on the road. When I couldn't find a meal elsewhere, I relied on those foil pouches of chicken and tuna. Added a block of cheese and some bread along with a bag of chips. Nothing but the finest for my palate.
Of course for breakfast, Pop Tarts, the breakfast of champions.

And btw, neither skewer loosened up, so I dodged a bullet there ; )
You're a regular Galloping Gourmet! Remember that guy?
And glad you avoided imminent death qr wise.
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I tried a packet of that zesty lemon pepper variety and it wasn't bad. It came with the sauce so it made it a little messy compared to some others but at least it wasn't dry and had flavor. Went well with muenster cheese and potato chips. This galloping gourmet gives it 4 stars
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I'd honestly force myself to cook because once you are 1/2 into cooking the meal it fels so nice to just take that break and do something else other than cycling. Besides basically anything you cook outdoors tastes so good. Don't drop cooking.
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150 ml cold soaked oats
300 ml water
30 ml Nescafé gold instant coffee
Pinch of salt

Left to soak overnight and tasted cold. Absolutely disgusting. Strong bitter horrible coffee taste. Inedible.
Heated to boiling and left on stove for three minutes. Still disgusting but not as bad as cold. Could possibly be eaten in a life and death situation.

At this point the experiment was terminated before going further with the addition of soy milk and trailmix as it would have been a waste of more good food!
The oats were then emptied in the forest behind my house. Will be interesting to see how the wild boars act up this evening!

After all this culinary experimentation, I made a bowl of fresh fruit and soja ice cream which was enjoyed with a mug of good filter coffee!

Good Morning to y'all!
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Originally Posted by imi
The oats were then emptied in the forest behind my house. Will be interesting to see how the wild boars act up this evening!
funny and unique quote, not many of us can claim to have wild boar in our backyards, and even less with hyperactive caffeinated ones.
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