Kobe touring frame / tubing sticker id?
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Kobe touring frame / tubing sticker id?
Can anyone help id this Kobe frame or the partial tubing sticker below?
Haven't found much information on Kobe, most of what I saw were high-tensile frames. Picked this up for cheap, mainly for some parts, I wanted the triple crank for my girlfriend's mixte. The owner didn't remember which model it was, had it listed as a Kobe touring bike, maybe just because of the triple. Wasn't expecting much from the frame but it's really light, which is probably a given since it's 49cm.
It has some alright components, not sure what was original: Deore green/blue era front derailleur, suntour vxgt rear, sr laprade seatpost (26.8), Sugino Pro-Dynamic-S japanese copy of a TA cyclotouriste crank. Most of the components were manufactured in 1980, so I'm figuring this is either a 1980 or 1981 model.
It has a partial tubing sticker and it looks like it says 'Butted Tubes' at the bottom. Never heard of a butted high tensile frame, so I figured it might be crmo. Does the 26.8 seatpost diameter indicate a butted frame? Not sure what the *ESS was in the middle, but I thought that might be 'Tange' at the top, can anyone that has seen one of these stickers before fill in the missing blanks?
Here are some more pictures as I got it. The original owner had a bike shop swap out the drops for flat bars at some point, they put a Nitto Technomic stem on and some shimano sis thumb shifters that I'll probably use on a townie bike conversion at some point.
Haven't found much information on Kobe, most of what I saw were high-tensile frames. Picked this up for cheap, mainly for some parts, I wanted the triple crank for my girlfriend's mixte. The owner didn't remember which model it was, had it listed as a Kobe touring bike, maybe just because of the triple. Wasn't expecting much from the frame but it's really light, which is probably a given since it's 49cm.
It has some alright components, not sure what was original: Deore green/blue era front derailleur, suntour vxgt rear, sr laprade seatpost (26.8), Sugino Pro-Dynamic-S japanese copy of a TA cyclotouriste crank. Most of the components were manufactured in 1980, so I'm figuring this is either a 1980 or 1981 model.
It has a partial tubing sticker and it looks like it says 'Butted Tubes' at the bottom. Never heard of a butted high tensile frame, so I figured it might be crmo. Does the 26.8 seatpost diameter indicate a butted frame? Not sure what the *ESS was in the middle, but I thought that might be 'Tange' at the top, can anyone that has seen one of these stickers before fill in the missing blanks?
Here are some more pictures as I got it. The original owner had a bike shop swap out the drops for flat bars at some point, they put a Nitto Technomic stem on and some shimano sis thumb shifters that I'll probably use on a townie bike conversion at some point.
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I agree, it does look like it may say Tange and 26.8mm is the most common size of post for Tange tubesets. It's common for Tange #2, and #3 CrMo butted sets, but it was also used on their butted hi-tensile steel set, commonly known as #102. Japanes bicycle brands seemed to take delight in hiding the level and/or brand of tubing using customized or generic decals and this may be one. If you're prepared to remove the fork, there may be a manufacturer's stamp and date code on the steerer. We may also be able to confirm the year via the serial number.
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The serial number on the bottom bracket is pretty hard to make out but it looks to be something like: H0908317
If that follows the univega/miyata year codes, I guess that would make the frame a '79? Was this a standard convention for serials?
Thanks, the bottom pictures are actually from the craigslist listing. There's a weird optical illusion going on in the side one that makes it look like the fork ends are bent back. Before I went to check it out, I almost posted a thread on here titled "Is this fork bent? (seriously this time)" until I eyeballed it pretty closely. If you look at the bottom shadow of the fork pretty closely you can see it's in line with the fork end. I didn't think to take any more pictures other than the tubing decal detail
If that follows the univega/miyata year codes, I guess that would make the frame a '79? Was this a standard convention for serials?
Thanks, the bottom pictures are actually from the craigslist listing. There's a weird optical illusion going on in the side one that makes it look like the fork ends are bent back. Before I went to check it out, I almost posted a thread on here titled "Is this fork bent? (seriously this time)" until I eyeballed it pretty closely. If you look at the bottom shadow of the fork pretty closely you can see it's in line with the fork end. I didn't think to take any more pictures other than the tubing decal detail