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Salsa Journeyman
https://salsacycles.com/bikes/journe...eyman_sora_700
Not a bad bike in my opinion...I think to hit this price point (for Salsa anyway) they did pretty well.
- six options, 2x9 Sora drop bar ($1099), 2x8 Claris drop bar and 2x8 Claris flat bar ($899), each with either 700c or 650b
- 46/30 crankset
- alu frame, carbon fork on the sora, alu fork on Claris
- tire clearance is 700x50, slightly wider in 650b
- bottle mounts galore
Not a bad bike in my opinion...I think to hit this price point (for Salsa anyway) they did pretty well.
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https://salsacycles.com/bikes/journe...eyman_sora_700
Not a bad bike in my opinion...I think to hit this price point (for Salsa anyway) they did pretty well.
- six options, 2x9 Sora drop bar ($1099), 2x8 Claris drop bar and 2x8 Claris flat bar ($899), each with either 700c or 650b
- 46/30 crankset
- alu frame, carbon fork on the sora, alu fork on Claris
- tire clearance is 700x50, slightly wider in 650b
- bottle mounts galore
Not a bad bike in my opinion...I think to hit this price point (for Salsa anyway) they did pretty well.
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I wondered that too. My first thought was it’d be nice if they had one higher tier with thru axles and a better drivetrain (tiagra or apex 1x). I wonder if Salsa thought it would start to pull buyers away from the pricier vaya and alu warbird
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Yeah. Maybe since disc wheels set up for q/r's are slowly becoming obsolete, perhaps Salsa can get them from their supplier for dirt cheap. Even without t/a's I'm going to have to consider the Sora 650. That's like the perfect bikepacking bike.
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+1 on the thru axles. I was really, really looking forward to this bike's release. Not so much now. It's not any one thing (like the lack of thru axles). I wonder why they're so heavy for an alloy framed bike. I wonder why they went to a 70.5 angle instead of the Vaya's 71.5. This now puts the trail up into the 70s. Slacker head tube angle and shorter chainstays - 440 vs the Vaya's 450. I just don't get what they're doing with this bike. Don't get me wrong. For a real tight budget bike, I think it's a great option. Unfortunately for me, they went SO budget that it's not worth upgrading to where I would want it. Too bad for me, because the stack/reach on this bike is just what I want. This is also true of the Vaya and the AC space horse. Oh, well.
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So they go to the trouble of supporting flat-mount brakes...but not thru-axle. WTF.
Winner otherwise...although a 9-speed 11-34 cassette is going to have bigly gaps... Strange seeing square taper cranks still being sold (on a non-department store bike)
Winner otherwise...although a 9-speed 11-34 cassette is going to have bigly gaps... Strange seeing square taper cranks still being sold (on a non-department store bike)
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Yeah, some head scratchers for sure. Another thing is that up until a year ago, 9 speed cassettes were plentiful and cheap. They are disappearing very, very quickly from the mainstream marketplaces as are all 9 speed components. The old reliable M591 crankset is no longer available at chain reaction and hard to find other places. I think Salsa is just a little too late with this bike as it is. JMO.
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The 1400$ Vaya comes with square taper too. Simply cost cutting I guess. I love their frames and one day i'm going to build up a Vaya frame but their stuff can be a bit overpriced compared to the bigger manufacturers IMO but it's understandable.
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I suppose people buying entry level bikes won't know the difference.
I tweak the 9mm QR fork on my Trek Crossrip bad on 28's. it's even worse with 700x38's.
Maybe Salsa has a carbon frame thru axle version of the Journeyman in the works? a Road version of the Cutthroat.
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Vaya:628/372
Journeyman:624/379
Warbird Al: 616/386
If the journeyman came with better gearing, it would be an alternative to either the vaya/warbird, IMO. Identical no, but probably at most a stem change away from the “fit” of either, which is what a new buyer mostly notices. So, my thnking is that salsa made this bike largely to get the low end of the market. If someone walks into a salsa dealer not ready to shell out closer to $2k for Vaya GX or the Al Warbird, the Journeyman becomes something that the customer can be pointed toward so they won’t walk out and buy elsewhere.
And I agree that most buyers (especially at the low end) don’t care about QR vs thru axle. I have only QR and am happy with it, though I can see the arguments for thru axle.
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Uhh ones a racer, and the others are utility bicycles, lugs etc.....
but Yeah you are right, they all three are bicycles. not much difference.
Millions (Billions?) are happy with horse meat McDonald's hamburgers too. LOL
but Yeah you are right, they all three are bicycles. not much difference.
Millions (Billions?) are happy with horse meat McDonald's hamburgers too. LOL
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The Journeyman is basically an aluminum version of a 90's hybrid with more versatility (700c vs 650B, big tire clearance) and better geometry (drop vs flat bar versions). I've always thought the 90's hybrids, or something like them, are the ideal bikes for what the average person does with a bike and the Journeyman is a great deal for beginners. As someone who bought his first adult bicycle in 1995, the Journeyman as a frameset is pretty attractive. I haven't read if a frameset is in the works, though.
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Yeah, some head scratchers for sure. Another thing is that up until a year ago, 9 speed cassettes were plentiful and cheap. They are disappearing very, very quickly from the mainstream marketplaces as are all 9 speed components. The old reliable M591 crankset is no longer available at chain reaction and hard to find other places. I think Salsa is just a little too late with this bike as it is. JMO.
Er...bike shop quality bikrs are still being made with 8sp, so 9so isnt going anywhere. Hrck, Shimano just released a new version of its 9sp drivetrain not long ago.
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I will look for info on the newer 9 sp drivetrain.
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I initially thought that this looked like a good budget option. However, taking a closer look at the specs, even the top of the line Sora bke is pretty chintzy for $1,100. No name brakes. Recreational hybrid-level Formula hubs. Bottom of the line crank. Rear QR. I don't really blame Salsa, it's more an indication of where we're at on bike pricing these days. At full LBS ricing, $1,100 doesn't get you much. For its intended purpose, this build likely wouldn't last very long. If you intend to ride gravel frequently, you need to spend more IMO.
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I was using a JIS taper 46/30 for the last year. Only complaints were that it was heavy and not that stiff compared to spindle cranks... The difference from my IRD Defiant and UN55 to my FSA SLK is about a full pound.
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Over on the Radavist there was discussion about why it has QR instead of through axle -- at this price point, the idea was that people's older wheelsets will still work with this bike.
I think this bike is a pretty ****** option at this price point. 650b disc brakes, complete bike for $1100, with all the mounts you could hope for.
The current generation of Sora is really very good. I say this as someone who HATED my 7-speed Sora group that was on my very first road bike.
I think this bike is a pretty ****** option at this price point. 650b disc brakes, complete bike for $1100, with all the mounts you could hope for.
The current generation of Sora is really very good. I say this as someone who HATED my 7-speed Sora group that was on my very first road bike.
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Over on the Radavist there was discussion about why it has QR instead of through axle -- at this price point, the idea was that people's older wheelsets will still work with this bike.
I think this bike is a pretty ****** option at this price point. 650b disc brakes, complete bike for $1100, with all the mounts you could hope for.
The current generation of Sora is really very good. I say this as someone who HATED my 7-speed Sora group that was on my very first road bike.
I think this bike is a pretty ****** option at this price point. 650b disc brakes, complete bike for $1100, with all the mounts you could hope for.
The current generation of Sora is really very good. I say this as someone who HATED my 7-speed Sora group that was on my very first road bike.
I rode the claris 700c version today. Impressive!
Can't wait to ride the 650 version.
And If I knew Salsa would drop us a Carbon frame with this Geo with thru axle fork. I'd be all over it, Especially if it was a frame/fork buy option. If I knew, I might be tempted to buy the aluminum. If I had to wait a year for a carbon version.
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How much weight and flex? A few grams more on these relatively heavy bikes, measurable spindle flex amounts to.....?? Any empirical data published? I doubt almost anyone can notice any appreciable difference between a square taper spindle and one of the current flavor ones. So.....thats what I think, ymmv. (Disclaimer: I don't ride a square taper)
regards, Brian
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How much weight and flex? A few grams more on these relatively heavy bikes, measurable spindle flex amounts to.....?? Any empirical data published? I doubt almost anyone can notice any appreciable difference between a square taper spindle and one of the current flavor ones. So.....thats what I think, ymmv. (Disclaimer: I don't ride a square taper)
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The biggest difference was the chainring quit flexing into the derailleur after the swap.
a few grams here, a few grams there, makes for lighter bikes.
just like a cookie here, a donut there, 2 beers here a shot over there... makes for fat obese twits that scoff at a few grams. It's a mentality thing.
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https://salsacycles.com/bikes/journe...eyman_sora_700
- six options, 2x9 Sora drop bar ($1099), 2x8 Claris drop bar and 2x8 Claris flat bar ($899), each with either 700c or 650b
- 46/30 crankset
- alu frame, carbon fork on the sora, alu fork on Claris
- tire clearance is 700x50, slightly wider in 650b
- bottle mounts galore
The colour scheme on the 700c Journeyman is awesome.
And they appear to have fixed my biggest bug bear with Salsa frames and that is to have the seat stays and top tube come together at the seat tube at the same height.
So many other Salsa frame have this off by 3 to 5 mm and it is jarring.
That is why I have ruled out buying a Vaya or any other Salsa steel frame.
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Yeah, some head scratchers for sure. Another thing is that up until a year ago, 9 speed cassettes were plentiful and cheap. They are disappearing very, very quickly from the mainstream marketplaces as are all 9 speed components. The old reliable M591 crankset is no longer available at chain reaction and hard to find other places. I think Salsa is just a little too late with this bike as it is. JMO.
I agree with you that choice of quality 9 speed parts is rapidly diminishing.
You can still get the excellent M591 crank at multiple German online retailers and Chainreaction is living off past glories, they are a near useless store these days.