For the love of English 3 speeds...
03-03-19, 08:05 PM
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The bike is one of the few known prewar Hetchins and very, very few unrestored, original bikes as verified by the Hetchins registry. It was ordered in 1936 and delivered in 1937 hence the K7 hub. The frame is built of Reynolds HM tubing which is the precursor to 531 originally finished forest green with a chrome fork. The handlebars are Lauterwasser with an unknown stem type and Brittania reproduction grips as the Constrictor grips were too worn to use. Tires are modern Schwalbe 597-32 that resemble the period Dunlop or Michelin. The bottom bracket is a Brampton. The headset is an integrated Chater Lea. The hubs are fastened with period correct front and rear Sturmey Archer wingnuts. The seatpost is a domed one. Last, the front hub is a Bayliss Wiley.
I have put about 50 miles on the bike over that last few weeks.
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03-03-19, 08:16 PM
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This is my other "the speed" Hetchins; a 1945 Super Special Custom. It is a one of a kind ordered within a few weeks after VE Day. The bike was sent back to Hetchins in 1955 to be repainted and have stops added to allow for a hybrid gearing system of a Sturmey Archer AW with a 3 cog Cyclo block and Simplex Rigidex 35 derailleur. The derailleur is controlled via period correct Cyclo indexed bar end shifter.
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03-04-19, 07:24 AM
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I probably missed it somewhere in this ever growing thread, but what is the purpose of the 163mm spindle in this 1988 AW hub ( left ), while all other hubs seem to be 147mm long ?
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Different widths to accommodate different frame spacing.
03-04-19, 09:09 AM
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Hello,
My friend john came by yesterday. I traded him my too tall for me Ed Litton frame for his too small for him Golden Arrow. I'm pretty excited to have this in my collection.
I need to look through my spares to see if I have the headset lock nut that it is missing. How do I determine the year, 38? Where is the best place to buy, sell and trade British 3 speeds?
Thanks,
Chris
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My friend john came by yesterday. I traded him my too tall for me Ed Litton frame for his too small for him Golden Arrow. I'm pretty excited to have this in my collection.
I need to look through my spares to see if I have the headset lock nut that it is missing. How do I determine the year, 38? Where is the best place to buy, sell and trade British 3 speeds?
Thanks,
Chris
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03-04-19, 09:22 AM
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One of the best sources for parts is Hilary Stone The site for Classic and Vintage bicycles and their parts
He doesn't really buy bikes but he might have your headset nut.
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The 6 1/4" axles were also used on models like the DL-1 to leave room for the wire mudguard stays that were attached to the axle instead of the frame. They came with longer indicator pins.
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Thanks, Dan. The only bike in my possession with a wider frame, is my tandem that has balloon tires, drum brakes and 3speed derailleur, so I was wondering if the longer spindle could have another purpose than just to fit a wider frame... 
Thanks, BigChief.
I don' t know what frame this hub was fitted into, but I don' t think it was a Raleigh. Out of the 7 SA 3Speed hubs I have, this is the only one with the longer spindle.
I got that wheel from a friend who was cleaning his garage. Last weekend, I started to dismantle several wheels that I would never use on my bikes, but take up a lot of space.
Hubs and rims apart are easier to stock...
I don' t know what frame this hub was fitted into, but I don' t think it was a Raleigh. Out of the 7 SA 3Speed hubs I have, this is the only one with the longer spindle.
I got that wheel from a friend who was cleaning his garage. Last weekend, I started to dismantle several wheels that I would never use on my bikes, but take up a lot of space.
Hubs and rims apart are easier to stock...
03-04-19, 01:14 PM
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Wow, another gem from the 30's. What markings are on the rear Sturmey hub?
One of the best sources for parts is Hilary Stone The site for Classic and Vintage bicycles and their parts
He doesn't really buy bikes but he might have your headset nut.
One of the best sources for parts is Hilary Stone The site for Classic and Vintage bicycles and their parts
He doesn't really buy bikes but he might have your headset nut.
There are numbers on both sides of the seat cluster, but they don't seem to fit into a possible year on the charts that I have found.. I might have the headset locknut in my spare headset parts. I need to search through them.
Thanks,
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oK, this is not precisely Engish 3 speed, but in the neighborhood. It would be a cool bike for a tall miyata/3 speed/dutch/city bike fan
Not me selling and I would have grabbed one at 23"
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...5-new-box.html
I have three of these in unopened boxes. They’re all tall (25”/62cm). Came out of the basement of a bike shop that shut down. Sort of like Miyata’s take on a Dutch style bike. If you have any questions please ask. I can do 600 a piece plus actual shipping. Rare, not very common, you all know that. Own something unique.
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Not me selling and I would have grabbed one at 23"
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...5-new-box.html
I have three of these in unopened boxes. They’re all tall (25”/62cm). Came out of the basement of a bike shop that shut down. Sort of like Miyata’s take on a Dutch style bike. If you have any questions please ask. I can do 600 a piece plus actual shipping. Rare, not very common, you all know that. Own something unique.
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If that's a standard 26 tpi Raleigh locknut, there's lot's around, although I think yours is different from the norm.
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The bike is one of the few known prewar Hetchins and very, very few unrestored, original bikes as verified by the Hetchins registry. It was ordered in 1936 and delivered in 1937 hence the K7 hub. The frame is built of Reynolds HM tubing which is the precursor to 531 originally finished forest green with a chrome fork. The handlebars are Lauterwasser with an unknown stem type and Brittania reproduction grips as the Constrictor grips were too worn to use. Tires are modern Schwalbe 597-32 that resemble the period Dunlop or Michelin. The bottom bracket is a Brampton. The headset is an integrated Chater Lea. The hubs are fastened with period correct front and rear Sturmey Archer wingnuts. The seatpost is a domed one. Last, the front hub is a Bayliss Wiley.
I have put about 50 miles on the bike over that last few weeks.
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The is a number next to the AW, it is hard to read, an 8 or a 9?
There are numbers on both sides of the seat cluster, but they don't seem to fit into a possible year on the charts that I have found.. I might have the headset locknut in my spare headset parts. I need to search through them.
Thanks,
Chris
There are numbers on both sides of the seat cluster, but they don't seem to fit into a possible year on the charts that I have found.. I might have the headset locknut in my spare headset parts. I need to search through them.
Thanks,
Chris
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Interesting that the chrome fork came with the black finish at the base price, but they charged extra for it on the standard gold finish.
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You expected logic? Each model had suttle differences. I at one piont had a 48 Clubman and the 48 RRA. Both forks from a distance looked the same, but if you tried to move the fork light bracket from one to the other, you found that one for was “D” shaped and the other was “0” shaped. My guess is the charge was to do something that differed from the norm.
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03-04-19, 07:54 PM
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You expected logic? Each model had suttle differences. I one one piont had a 48 Clubman and the 48 RRA. Both forks from a distance looked the same, but if you tried to move the fork light bracket from one to the other, you found that one for was “D” shaped and the other was “0” shaped. My guess is the charge was to do something that differed from the norm.
03-04-19, 08:24 PM
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Since I mentioned the two RRAs, here is a photo of the 37 with an AW-8 hub.
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03-04-19, 08:27 PM
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This is the 48 RRA with an alloy 48 FW hub.
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You expected logic? Each model had suttle differences. I at one piont had a 48 Clubman and the 48 RRA. Both forks from a distance looked the same, but if you tried to move the fork light bracket from one to the other, you found that one for was “D” shaped and the other was “0” shaped. My guess is the charge was to do something that differed from the norm.
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Well...I think I would have been suckered in to paying for the chrome fork with the gold finish. It would look stunning with the white Bluemels. Oh and the AM hub. Wouldn't that be nice today? So come on already. Triumph is back. So is Norton. Why not proper English built Raleighs?
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I do love the Song of the Sausage People.
Wandering a bit off-topic here...
(It's actually "Song of the Sausage Creature")
That article inspired me to sell my Japanese bikes and buy a Ducati 900SS back in 1995. Did some cafe racing on Wisconsin country roads, and then went legit with Central Roadracing Association.
A crash in turn one at Brainerd Int'l Raceway, going about 140mph at the time, ended that dream.
Apologies for the poor photo, this was copied from a magazine column I wrote back then.
For awhile there, I too was a Sausage Creature...
But I mended; first my body, and then the bike:
"After" pic from that same story.
I don't ride motorcycles these days. You might say I outgrew them when I discovered just how fascinating bicycles can be.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...
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Oh man... now there's a blast from the past!
Wandering a bit off-topic here...
(It's actually "Song of the Sausage Creature")
That article inspired me to sell my Japanese bikes and buy a Ducati 900SS back in 1995. Did some cafe racing on Wisconsin country roads, and then went legit with Central Roadracing Association.
A crash in turn one at Brainerd Int'l Raceway, going about 140mph at the time, ended that dream.
Apologies for the poor photo, this was copied from a magazine column I wrote back then.
For awhile there, I too was a Sausage Creature...
But I mended; first my body, and then the bike:
"After" pic from that same story.
I don't ride motorcycles these days. You might say I outgrew them when I discovered just how fascinating bicycles can be.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...
Wandering a bit off-topic here...
(It's actually "Song of the Sausage Creature")
That article inspired me to sell my Japanese bikes and buy a Ducati 900SS back in 1995. Did some cafe racing on Wisconsin country roads, and then went legit with Central Roadracing Association.
A crash in turn one at Brainerd Int'l Raceway, going about 140mph at the time, ended that dream.
Apologies for the poor photo, this was copied from a magazine column I wrote back then.
For awhile there, I too was a Sausage Creature...
But I mended; first my body, and then the bike:
"After" pic from that same story.
I don't ride motorcycles these days. You might say I outgrew them when I discovered just how fascinating bicycles can be.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...
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