Yet a new bike category? Salsa’s new Warroad (no bird required)
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I really wanted a new warbird, since i had an older model. But i too was shocked at the price for the components you get. I have never owned a giant, never really liked them, but i loved the new revolt and after salsa's offering, i got the revolt advanced 0, the new warroad does nothing for me, the price is just too crazy for what you are getting. i have a santa cruz MTB and they got the best warranty in the business, i ordered a new set of their reserve gravel wheels for my giant. I also ordered a new set of i9 wheels for my old warbird. I dont think i will buy another salsa for a long time, the bike market prices are just sky high for what you receive. I would start buying canyon but i am too loyal to my local bike shops to do that.
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Considering a Canyon Endurace with 105 can be had for $2200. and can fit any 700x33 Cyclocross tire, I'd also say the Salsa is $1200. overpriced.
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$3,465 for Giant with Carbon wheels, Ultegra or $3,400 for a Salsa with alloy wheels and 105
I mean I am sure there are arguments to be given for buying a salsa over the giant, but $ isn't one of them!!!
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I am always confused when people say that they use two sets of wheels on a bike that is advertised as go anywhere bike - do you go with a spare set of wheels in the bag just in case you want to go beyond the road? Salsa is saying that this bike is for roadies who enjoy some gravel which means they sell it mostly with beefy 650b tires for primary road usage just to have an option to enjoy some gravel. This makes little sense to me.
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I am always confused when people say that they use two sets of wheels on a bike that is advertised as go anywhere bike - do you go with a spare set of wheels in the bag just in case you want to go beyond the road? Salsa is saying that this bike is for roadies who enjoy some gravel which means they sell it mostly with beefy 650b tires for primary road usage just to have an option to enjoy some gravel. This makes little sense to me.
While I enjoy gravel, the paved roads are getting worse than gravel. Gravel may have washboards here and there, but... some of this pavement , cracks, pot holes, joints, worn down to cobble. Is worse than gravel. which has me looking at road plus. nothing like hitting frost cracks for a 8 mile section on regular intervals at 18 + mph after 70 miles...... neck/ nerves, elbows... SCREAMING. worse thing ever.
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I do not agree with this at all. Gravel bikes weigh 10 - 12 pounds less, have no front suspension, do not use heavy tires, have completely different handling and geometry, have drop bars, etc. I do not see much similarity at all. Gravel bikes fall into two categories, "traditional" that have a longer wheelbase and geometry akin to touring bikes (Warbird, Renegade) and a smallwer category more like road bikes with short wheelbase, more vertical steerer and shorter stack (Open, 3T). Neither are very much like a mountain bike. Both are a lot of fun though!
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You, too? At last notice, my September 2018 Warbird frameset order, last promised by the end of March 2019, was then promised the first week of May then, the last week of May . . . and now . . . "indeterminate." If Salsa's manufacturing ever catches up with their marketing department, they're going to eclipse Trek and Specialized in sales!
Our local shop here in Pittsburgh has Warbirds in stock, including the new DI2. sweetwaterbicycles.com. They stock 18 different gravel bike models on the floor and really specialize in gravel bikes. They even have Open, 3T, Bomtrack, Jamis, Salsa and Felt all at the same place.
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I do not agree with this at all. Gravel bikes weigh 10 - 12 pounds less, have no front suspension, do not use heavy tires, have completely different handling and geometry, have drop bars, etc. I do not see much similarity at all. Gravel bikes fall into two categories, "traditional" that have a longer wheelbase and geometry akin to touring bikes (Warbird, Renegade) and a smallwer category more like road bikes with short wheelbase, more vertical steerer and shorter stack (Open, 3T). Neither are very much like a mountain bike. Both are a lot of fun though!
Mountain bikes were alternately known as "all-terrain bikes" in the beginning. Like I said, "gravel bikes" are approaching that ideal with more road manners.
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The recently imposed tariffs screwed up the bike industry and ports royally and has hit some bike makers harder than others this spring. Many tried to get what they could get imported early before the tariffs hit. Ithers switeche massive production lines to Taiwan. All of the ports got backed up in December when all of that stuff tried to come in to the US before tariffs hit and backlogged ports a month or more.
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As I stated previously this bike is no better or different than the Giant Revolt Advanced or other similar bikes now available. Only difference is the Giant cost less and has better components.
$3500 gets you a carbon bike, carbon wheels and Ultrega components.
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/revolt-advanced-0
$4300 get you a Carbon Warroad Ultegra with alloy wheels. They are nuts.
https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_ultegra_700
$3500 gets you a carbon bike, carbon wheels and Ultrega components.
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/revolt-advanced-0
$4300 get you a Carbon Warroad Ultegra with alloy wheels. They are nuts.
https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_ultegra_700
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Any Salsa dealer will match REI (10%, not 15%) if you mention REI. REI just means all Salsa's are now discounted 10% by good solid dealer network that helped Salsa grow to the point that Salsa undercut them with their REI deal...
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Even the carbon Diverge with Ultegra and alloy wheels is less than the Salsa Warroad. Again...Salsa is nuts on their pricing.
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/me...=227302-154306
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/me...=227302-154306
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This might do it for some, but it can't replace a road bike for me no matter the amount of potholes encountered. Too much of a compromise, starting with the 1x drivetrain (edit: 2x versions available).
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if everyone involved recognizes that the bikes are worth 10% less than listed to customers, then price them that way. It will help with everyone who internet researches and eliminates options based on price before further investigation of a final few bikes because Salsa may not immediately be dismissed since bikes are no longer as unjustifiably expensive.
as for REI, just have them contractually eliminate salsa bikes as a dividend eligible product. They change their pricing and benefits policies when needed and this could be one of those times.
of course this would mean all those who don't know they can get a discount then pay full price and that extra $ gets pocketed.
...not how I think brand loyalty and consumer goodwill should work, but to each their own, I guess.
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Have you ridden a good gravel bike set upo wih 32 -35 mm fast tires to compare? If not you might just be pleasantly surprised. Also, as you approach your 50s and 60s the extra comfort advantage of a good gravel bike set up for road may keep you riding more often and further...
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their pricing should just be 10% less then.
if everyone involved recognizes that the bikes are worth 10% less than listed to customers, then price them that way. It will help with everyone who internet researches and eliminates options based on price before further investigation of a final few bikes because Salsa may not immediately be dismissed since bikes are no longer as unjustifiably expensive.
as for REI, just have them contractually eliminate salsa bikes as a dividend eligible product. They change their pricing and benefits policies when needed and this could be one of those times.
of course this would mean all those who don't know they can get a discount then pay full price and that extra $ gets pocketed.
...not how I think brand loyalty and consumer goodwill should work, but to each their own, I guess.
if everyone involved recognizes that the bikes are worth 10% less than listed to customers, then price them that way. It will help with everyone who internet researches and eliminates options based on price before further investigation of a final few bikes because Salsa may not immediately be dismissed since bikes are no longer as unjustifiably expensive.
as for REI, just have them contractually eliminate salsa bikes as a dividend eligible product. They change their pricing and benefits policies when needed and this could be one of those times.
of course this would mean all those who don't know they can get a discount then pay full price and that extra $ gets pocketed.
...not how I think brand loyalty and consumer goodwill should work, but to each their own, I guess.
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Have you ridden a good gravel bike set upo wih 32 -35 mm fast tires to compare? If not you might just be pleasantly surprised. Also, as you approach your 50s and 60s the extra comfort advantage of a good gravel bike set up for road may keep you riding more often and further...
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I am always confused when people say that they use two sets of wheels on a bike that is advertised as go anywhere bike - do you go with a spare set of wheels in the bag just in case you want to go beyond the road?
We all live in different places, but honestly the “gravel” around here is smoother than the asphalt, 6 months out of the year (we use a lot of chloride to keep the dust down).
I go on some fast road rides where the paceline is doing 30mph in the flats when they spin it up – and I need a good road tire for that.
Yeah, I go anywhere (that doesn’t require a suspension). Fast road rides, CX, gravel, urban.
Yeah, I've probably tried a gravel bike or two in the past. They were nice and I liked them, but not snappy/fast enough to replace my Tarmac; and not versatile enough to replace my Cutthroat
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Isn't this category of bike Road Plus? Salsa created a need for the Warroad with their geometry on the Warbird, which has incredibly high trail. The Warroad still has a lot of trail, but less than the Warbird.
I really like Road Plus. It is great for all day rides, for handling the horrible pavement that I occasionally encounter, for handling my daily commute, and for gravel. I use it on group rides, and find the extra tire to be no problem. In call cases, Road Plus lowers fatigue, which lets me go faster for longer. I ride safer because hitting potholes and other debris is no longer a problem, so I can keep my eyes pointed further up the road.
I really like Road Plus. It is great for all day rides, for handling the horrible pavement that I occasionally encounter, for handling my daily commute, and for gravel. I use it on group rides, and find the extra tire to be no problem. In call cases, Road Plus lowers fatigue, which lets me go faster for longer. I ride safer because hitting potholes and other debris is no longer a problem, so I can keep my eyes pointed further up the road.
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... They knew the roads they'd be riding if not the pavement. I didn't know what coast I would be living on. I also didn't know the wheel standard I would be using. 700c or 27"? In 1978, not knowing where I'd be living, that wasn't at all obvious.
Well, 38 years later, my Mooney had a new focus - as a fix gear to ride Crater Lake with Cycle Oregon AND ride the promised 30 miles of gravel with its 1000' ups and downs. I did it. ...
Well, 38 years later, my Mooney had a new focus - as a fix gear to ride Crater Lake with Cycle Oregon AND ride the promised 30 miles of gravel with its 1000' ups and downs. I did it. ...
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Isn't this category of bike Road Plus? Salsa created a need for the Warroad with their geometry on the Warbird, which has incredibly high trail. The Warroad still has a lot of trail, but less than the Warbird.
I really like Road Plus. It is great for all day rides, for handling the horrible pavement that I occasionally encounter, for handling my daily commute, and for gravel. I use it on group rides, and find the extra tire to be no problem. In call cases, Road Plus lowers fatigue, which lets me go faster for longer. I ride safer because hitting potholes and other debris is no longer a problem, so I can keep my eyes pointed further up the road.
I really like Road Plus. It is great for all day rides, for handling the horrible pavement that I occasionally encounter, for handling my daily commute, and for gravel. I use it on group rides, and find the extra tire to be no problem. In call cases, Road Plus lowers fatigue, which lets me go faster for longer. I ride safer because hitting potholes and other debris is no longer a problem, so I can keep my eyes pointed further up the road.
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I've come to really appreciate the term "all-road." Maybe since this subforum has nothing to do with actual cyclocross, the name could be changed to "Gravel/All-road riding" or something like that.
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Some people argue in threads “that isn’what you need for a gravel bike” True, but a lot of us are really doing all road riding. If I had a gravel only bike, it would be a bit different than the “all road” bike I actually ride.